Help create a JREF recommended science books list?

looks good...:D

Are you going to link to Amazon? Will that need separate links to the uk, us, nz, au etc. sites to cater for all members?

Already a link to purchase from Amazon USA but I don't know if the Amazon affiliate scheme works across countries - as far as I can see it is per country - if so then the link will be to the USA site. Anyone have experience of using the Amazon affiliates scheme across countries?

Will the book recommendation bit have a main landing page? Perhaps the top recommendations could be displayed on that....

I will probably replace the "Buy the TAM DVD" section on the Forum homepage with links to the book review section. The section will appear as a Forum section (in JREF Topics) but displayed as per the attachment. I'll add a box that will allow say 5 books to be "this month's featured books".
 
Couple of things that could do with some input just before I open it up.

I can create a small review scoring box so the reviewer can add their own "scores", what these are is completely customisable, so should there be such a review scorecard and if so what areas should be scored?

Members will be able to add comments to each review, however should they also be able to add their own review scores if we use such a scheme?

Finally can someone or someones please come up with a list of just five books culled from this thread for the test books and if you would like to volunteer to write the first reviews for these titles please let me know.

PS the formatting issue is sorted but we've had to lose the fancy rounded corners in some places.
 
Couple of things that could do with some input just before I open it up.

I can create a small review scoring box so the reviewer can add their own "scores", what these are is completely customisable, so should there be such a review scorecard and if so what areas should be scored?

Members will be able to add comments to each review, however should they also be able to add their own review scores if we use such a scheme?

Finally can someone or someones please come up with a list of just five books culled from this thread for the test books and if you would like to volunteer to write the first reviews for these titles please let me know.

PS the formatting issue is sorted but we've had to lose the fancy rounded corners in some places.

My own thoughts,

i guess if you wanted more in depth scoring you could list things like;

Accessibility to layreader
Readability

etc etc. but i'm not sure these sub categories would add much to just an overall rating and a decent review...

I think that allowing other members to add their own score after a review is a good idea....

A somewhat subjective cull to provide a selection for the test books....


fabric of the Cosmos by Greene

Feynman's 6 Easy Pieces

Selfish Gene, Dawkins

The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat Sacks

Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everthing


but it doesn't really matter which ones are chosen......

I can write a couple of reviews if necessary :)
 
Couple of things that could do with some input just before I open it up.

I can create a small review scoring box so the reviewer can add their own "scores", what these are is completely customisable, so should there be such a review scorecard and if so what areas should be scored?

Members will be able to add comments to each review, however should they also be able to add their own review scores if we use such a scheme?

Finally can someone or someones please come up with a list of just five books culled from this thread for the test books and if you would like to volunteer to write the first reviews for these titles please let me know.

PS the formatting issue is sorted but we've had to lose the fancy rounded corners in some places.
I don't think a user defined scoring system will be helpful.

however, I would like to see a Tag system for overall view of the books. Something that will provide a quick impression of the books relavence. (e.g, Easy read, Great Reference source, Layman friendly, Know Thine Enemy...) This could be user defined as well, but I think it would be better served if we have a set of 20-30 standard ones.
 
If the Universe Is Teeming with Aliens... Where Is Everybody?

I know of two fine books that intelligently present many good arguments regarding both sides of the question of intelligent extraterrestrial life in this galaxy or the universe.

Recently I read: If the Universe Is Teeming with Aliens... Where Is Everybody? Fifty Solutions to Fermi's Paradox and the Problem of Extraterrestrial Life by Stephen Webb

I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the subject. Click this link for more information on the book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0387955011/crastro-20

Another good one that I read several years ago is: Extraterrestrials: Where Are They? by Ben Zuckerman and Michael Hart

Info on it is at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521443350/crastro-20

No, I don't think there is intelligent extraterrestrial life in this galaxy and probably not in the universe. I've given my reasoning countless times within this and other internet forums and will not repeat it here. Why spoil the fun for those who believe what they want to believe? Although if you consider all the consequences, be careful what you wish for. In any event, if anyone has taken the time to read one or both of the above suggested books, I would be glad to participate in an analytical discussion of the ideas presented within them.
 
re: life in the galaxy ...

equally likely is that the universe is a petri dish tucked away in some lab. although it's difficult to fathom an "entity" that is billions of times smarter than our civilization, it's no more or less silly an idea than the abstract structures of postmodern physics.
 
andyandy - you do indeed have special powers which enable you to see things which aren't there for other mere Members!

For everyone else this I've included some attachments so you can see what it will look like. As you'll see I'm having some problems with the formatting (but only on IE! :wackyrealmad: ), the first attachment is the summary view and the second the full review.

My thoughts are to start with some "Highly recommended" books culled from the great suggestions in this thread and invite Members to provide the first reviews, that way we can sort out any teething problems such as ratings, final format and the like. Once all that is up and running it would be opened up for anyone to provide a book review.
I like the format, Darat. Looks very clean. I think an actual subthread for each book would make sense, to be moderated by the opening reviewer (who the main Book Review forum moderator(s) assign for each book).

I think subratings for different categories is rather silly - a single 0 to five stars rating open for voting to all forum members (like Amazon uses) is quite sufficient to get a general Member sentiment for each book.

Since this thread (or at least the OP) is really about Science books I wouldn't limit the first five to what have been written here. I would hope the book review forum specialize in books on skepticism but include skeptical outlooks on all areas of literature, much like the forum itself. There could be sections with book reviews on GS&P, Politics, Science, Fiction, etc. Perhaps each Forum section should link to its corresponding Book Review section.

For the first five I would go with GS&P topics, like:
The Demon Haunted World
The Blind Watchmaker
Why People Believe Weird Things
Flim Flam
Unweaving The Rainbow

I think as a guideline we should suggest 500 - 1000 words for the opening review. Not only do we want to encourage brevity to make the reviews as readable as possible, but we don't want to intimidate as wide an audience as possible from writing opening reviews and most of us can't spend our time writing a college thesis on these things. Finer points can be debated in the comments themselves.
 
OK to start the book review section I'd like to start with 5 7 books so I'll need reviews for these over the next few days. If you are interested in writing a review and think you can have one ready in the next few days let me know.

These are just the books to start with so I can iron out any remaining problems, hopefully the section will be up and running fully before the end of the month so get any reviews you want to contribute ready.


In Search of Schrodingers Cat by Gribbins

Blind watchmaker by Dawkins

The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat by Sacks

Chaos by James Gleick

Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everthing

Why People Believe Weird Things by Shermer

Flim Flam by a geezer with a big white beard
 
First volunteer by the seeming indefatigable andyandy to write the review for "Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything".
 
Bit late to this thread and it's years since I saw them but I would suggest the always thoughtful and usually excellent Dr Jonathan Miller on "The Body in Question"

Book Description
In this original and highly entertaining book, Dr. Jonathan Miller considers the functioning of the body as a subject of private experience. He explores our attitudes towards our bodies, our astonishing ignorance of them, and our inability to read our body's signals. Taking as his starting point the experience of pain, Dr. Miller analyzes the elaborate social process of "falling ill", considers the physical foundations of "dis-ease" and looks at the types of individuals man has historically attributed with the power of healing. His explanations are lucid, wide-ranging and whole-heartedly entertaining. --

http://www.amazon.com/Body-Question-Jonathan-Miller/dp/0394502809

and States of Mind. Conversations with Psychological Investigators. BBC/Random House. — participants include Jerome Bruner, Daniel Dennett, Brian Farrell, Jerry Fodor, Thomas Szasz

(not currently on Amazon)
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Anyone want to write a review for the following?

In Search of Schrodingers Cat by Gribbins

Blind watchmaker by Dawkins

Why People Believe Weird Things by Shermer

Flim Flam by a geezer with a big white beard
 
The reviews themselves remain the copyright of the Members, I am however quite happy to put something the "review guide" that it would be appreciated if they let their review also be published at the SW (any chance of a link back to here... pretty please?)
 
In the name of skepticism please reconsider including the mismeasure of man. This work has been ignored by scientists in the field. It's an incredible strawman and irrelevant to anything modern psychology is doing re the study of intelligence (irrelevant even when it was first published).

This is not my opinion. The leading journal in the field is Intelligence. Try citing mismeasure and see the reaction you get from the blind reviewers.

A much fairer treatment of IQ can be had in the APA task force article on the subject (published in response to the bell curve):

Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns. Authors:

Ulric Neisser, PhD, Chair; Emory University
Gwyneth Boodoo, PhD, Educational Testing Service
Thomas J. Bouchard, Jr., PhD, University of Minnesota
A. Wade Boykin, PhD, Howard University
Nathan Brody, PhD, Wesleyan University
Stephen J. Ceci, PhD, Cornell University
Diane F. Halpern, PhD, California State University, San Bernadino
John C. Loehlin, PhD, University of Texas, Austin
Robert Perloff, PhD, University of Pittsburgh
Robert J. Sternberg, PhD, Yale University
Susana Urbina, PhD, University of North Florida

article: http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/apa_01.html

In thinking this through, note that the American Psychological Association commissioned this work (and put its seal of approval on it) as the state of the art (1996) summary of what the science has discovered. It speaks volumes that Mismeasure is not referenced.

These are facts; the field is a science. Mismeasure is not.

So, please reconsider.

My intent is not to derail this into a debate on Mismeasure, but as a soon to be member of the publishing community in this field (and someone who hopes to devout the rest of his research life to the area), this book simply does not fit in your list.

TIA.
 
In the name of skepticism please reconsider including the mismeasure of man. This work has been ignored by scientists in the field. It's an incredible strawman and irrelevant to anything modern psychology is doing re the study of intelligence (irrelevant even when it was first published).

This is not my opinion. The leading journal in the field is Intelligence. Try citing mismeasure and see the reaction you get from the blind reviewers.

A much fairer treatment of IQ can be had in the APA task force article on the subject (published in response to the bell curve):

Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns. Authors:

Ulric Neisser, PhD, Chair; Emory University
Gwyneth Boodoo, PhD, Educational Testing Service
Thomas J. Bouchard, Jr., PhD, University of Minnesota
A. Wade Boykin, PhD, Howard University
Nathan Brody, PhD, Wesleyan University
Stephen J. Ceci, PhD, Cornell University
Diane F. Halpern, PhD, California State University, San Bernadino
John C. Loehlin, PhD, University of Texas, Austin
Robert Perloff, PhD, University of Pittsburgh
Robert J. Sternberg, PhD, Yale University
Susana Urbina, PhD, University of North Florida

article: http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/apa_01.html

In thinking this through, note that the American Psychological Association commissioned this work (and put its seal of approval on it) as the state of the art (1996) summary of what the science has discovered. It speaks volumes that Mismeasure is not referenced.

These are facts; the field is a science. Mismeasure is not.

So, please reconsider.

My intent is not to derail this into a debate on Mismeasure, but as a soon to be member of the publishing community in this field (and someone who hopes to devout the rest of his research life to the area), this book simply does not fit in your list.

TIA.
I don't know the thesis of the book nor the debate surrounding it, but it sounds as if you are sufficiently well-versed in the topic to write an interesting critique of the book. I don't think the reviews need to be endorsements.
 
I don't know the thesis of the book nor the debate surrounding it, but it sounds as if you are sufficiently well-versed in the topic to write an interesting critique of the book. I don't think the reviews need to be endorsements.

quite - and the reviews will also have comments enabled beneath them so that if you disagree with a review you can add your own views....

that is when it's up and running :)
 

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