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Heiwa's Pizza Box Experiment

One serious question here....

What are the toppings? I'm not kidding. The answer to this question determines what the outcome could/would/should be.

If you answer "pepperoni", well crap...you're right on the money, baby.
 
Heiwa said:
As the Pizza Tower 4 metres or 400 metres high does not react according to Bazant's theory, I conclude the Bazant ideas are simply wrong.
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Not to beat on a dead horse issue here but.... that is an utterly absurd statement... I don't even know where to begin with everything that's wrong just in this one excerpt...


Zipster said:
Wasn't there that chicken wire experiment someone created? He had the portion above the impact floors pulled to a 90 degree angle to the bottom and claimed that if it holds in his scale model, it should have held in real life. Wannabe-engineers...

:rolleyes:
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I'll just hope he's not one of my clients when I start working in the architecture field... It would really be awkward...
 
I wonder why engineers don't do this more often.

Let them throw away those nasty calculations, all they have to do is order pizza. Then, after they've modelled the structure by making a pile of the pizza boxes, they can eat the pizza.

All engineers like pizza, so this is win-win.
 
Dr Adequate said:
I wonder why engineers don't do this more often.

Let them throw away those nasty calculations, all they have to do is order pizza. Then, after they've modelled the structure by making a pile of the pizza boxes, they can eat the pizza.

All engineers like pizza, so this is win-win.
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They could take a lesson from programmers. Everybody knows a project can only go as far as the pizza and caffeine budget goes. I assure you the idea for object oriented programming was first demonstrated with pizza boxes.
 
Dr Adequate said:
I wonder why engineers don't do this more often.

Let them throw away those nasty calculations, all they have to do is order pizza. Then, after they've modelled the structure by making a pile of the pizza boxes, they can eat the pizza.

All engineers like pizza, so this is win-win.
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I guess Heiwa invited all those kids jumping on that bed to Chucky Chesse for a big pizza party!!! Is it your birthday Heiwa?
 
HyJinX said:
One serious question here....

What are the toppings? I'm not kidding. The answer to this question determines what the outcome could/would/should be.

If you answer "pepperoni", well crap...you're right on the money, baby.
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This is true. Jet fuel reacts differently depending upon the topping in the pizza. For example, a cheese pizza is going to display extra melting qualities, while a meat pizza may be explosive.
 
Quad4_72 said:
This is true. Jet fuel reacts differently depending upon the topping in the pizza. For example, a cheese pizza is going to display extra melting qualities, while a meat pizza may be explosive.
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cheese insulates the crust from drying out or burning. that would be your fire proofing.
 
Quad4_72 said:
This is true. Jet fuel reacts differently depending upon the topping in the pizza. For example, a cheese pizza is going to display extra melting qualities, while a meat pizza may be explosive.
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I think you're onto something here! It was the meat that caused all those "explosions" the Truthers keep claiming everyone heard.

This whole thing wasn't perpetrated by our government, it was a collaboration between Papa John's, Domino's, Pizza Hut, and Lil' Caser!
 
Bazant is a fraud

Giggywig said:
1. So if you take the Pizza Tower and make the size of WTC1, then change the materials for those of WTC1, you get WTC1? Well, yes. But that doesn't make Pizza Tower a good model of WTC1. What you need to show (with math) is that Pizza Tower responds in the same way as WTC1 does to the forces you are interested in.


2. Is the Bazant hypothesis independent of the characteristics of the materials too? Does the momentum of a falling floor of the WTC scale down to the same as that of a falling pizza box?
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1. The Pizza Tower is just there only to confirm the Bazant hypothesis. Evidently the lower 95 boxes do not disintegrate, when you drop another 15 boxes on them.

2. The Bazant hypothesis is independent of scale, material, structural arrangemets, etc. Actually it is only a 1-D mathematical model assuming a mass B of uniform density (an upper block) drops down due to gravity on another mass A (also of uniform density - a lower structure) and that B then crushes down A, while B remains intact. Then, when A is completely destroyed, B, on top of the rubble of A, disintegrates in a crush up.

The basic error of the Bazant hypothesis is that B remains intact. Like in every impact collision between two bodies, evidently both bodies are affected by the impact and the smaller, weaker body is the first to be destroyed, in this case B.

Another error is that the phenomenom is in 1-D only and that no parts or energy of B (or parts of A) displace sideways outside of the footprint

Bazant applies his model to WTC1 and suggest that his model explains the WTC1 destruction. Amazingly many people, incl. NIST, believe that. But Bazant and his model are a fraud!

Thanks for your comment/questions. All other comments on this thread do not require any reply.
 
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Heiwa, you're talking about pizza boxes. Even if you were talking about cargo shipping containers your analogy would be unbefitting an engineer. This is absurd.
 
Minadin said:
Heiwa, you're talking about pizza boxes. Even if you were talking about cargo shipping containers your analogy would be unbefitting an engineer. This is absurd.
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Not really. A pizza box is as you suggest a cargo shipping container. There are also cargo shipping containers of steel that you can stack on top of another. Say that you can stack 12 steel containers of 40 tons each on top of one another in a ship. The load on the ship structure is then 480 tons, the load on the bottom container is 440 ton and the load on the second container on top is 40 tons, etc. Say that you place a 13th container on top of the stack and that the bottom container loaded with 440 ton cannot resist it. What happens? Evidently the bottom container and what's in it is crushed.

Now drop the 13th container from a certain height x on the stack. What do you think happens? Does all 12 containers disintegrate into dust? According Bazant that is what would happen, but it doesn't.

Bazant's theory is really absurd.
 
Heiwa said:
Not really. A pizza box is as you suggest a cargo shipping container. There are also cargo shipping containers of steel that you can stack on top of another. Say that you can stack 12 steel containers of 40 tons each on top of one another in a ship. The load on the ship structure is then 480 tons, the load on the bottom container is 440 ton and the load on the second container on top is 40 tons, etc. Say that you place a 13th container on top of the stack and that the bottom container loaded with 440 ton cannot resist it. What happens? Evidently the bottom container and what's in it is crushed.

Now drop the 13th container from a certain height x on the stack. What do you think happens? Does all 12 containers disintegrate into dust? According Bazant that is what would happen, but it doesn't.

Bazant's theory is really absurd.
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Good to know, if I plan to have pizzas shipped across the Atlantic.
 
Heiwa said:
Not really. A pizza box is as you suggest a cargo shipping container. There are also cargo shipping containers of steel that you can stack on top of another. Say that you can stack 12 steel containers of 40 tons each on top of one another in a ship. The load on the ship structure is then 480 tons, the load on the bottom container is 440 ton and the load on the second container on top is 40 tons, etc. Say that you place a 13th container on top of the stack and that the bottom container loaded with 440 ton cannot resist it. What happens? Evidently the bottom container and what's in it is crushed.
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Heiwa, let's do an experiment, NIST calculated that a single floor of the world trade center could support an additional 11 floors (the sum including our load bearing floor is 12 floors) under a static load. The then calculated that one floor of the trade center could support an additional 5 floors (the sum including the load bearing floor is 6 floors) under a dynamic load.

Now take your pizza boxes and increase the number of boxes until one fails under a static load. Once you've accomplished this, do the same to calculate the dynamic load. Let me know what your load proportions are once you finish. I sincerely hope you figure out how obscenely absurd your pizza box analogy is after this.


Heiwa said:
Now drop the 13th container from a certain height x on the stack. What do you think happens? Does all 12 containers disintegrate into dust?
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Think about materiality, scale, & mass. That you can so easily jump to using boxes to compare with the twin towers is... no offense... rather incompetent. If we went by your standards engineers wouldn't be number crunching to ensure that structural members in a building can support their intended design loads.


Heiwa said:
According Bazant that is what would happen, but it doesn't.
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Uh... no... you're using an absurdly weak analogy to make your case. "Pizza boxes" are no substitute for the real building, let alone any kind of scale model.
 
If we are to make the assumption that there are pizzas in the boxes it must be specified whether the pizza is thin crust, pan. or stuffed. Also, the temperature of the pizza must be taken into account as cold pizza is much more rigid than piping hot pizza. However, piping hot pizza may be irresistable and people may swipe a piece here and there. And is the pizza cut into wedges or squares?
 
Pizza cut into squares is heresy! Anyone who eats it that way shall be burned at the stake, or at least have to sit at the top of the Leaning Tower of Pizza Boxes.
 
Heiwa said:
Now drop the 13th container from a certain height x on the stack. What do you think happens? Does all 12 containers disintegrate into dust? According Bazant that is what would happen, but it doesn't.
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1. How do steel containers turn into dust?
2. Are you suggesting that both towers turned into dust? I recall lots of large debris.
 
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