Heeeeeeere's Obamacare!

It's funny how the thread is called " Heeeeeeere's Obamacare!" and it's not actually here.
 
It's funny how the thread is called " Heeeeeeere's Obamacare!" and it's not actually here.

Yes, it is funny that many Americans are just a dodgy website away from finally being able to get health insurance. If by funny, you mean wonderful.

Daredelvis
 
Yup, no problem. Like I said, I verified via the email I was sent, and then I logged into my account. Front to back, it took me all of 5 minutes; the thing that took most of that time was deciding which security questions to choose.

ETA: Like I said, keep at it.
Good for you, but this is as far as I get as of 5 minutes ago:

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Does that really change my point?

Yes, (most of) Obamacare isn't actually here yet. The website being up or down right now doesn't really even matter. If it's still down in November, and it has some of the incredibly mind-numbingly bad design decisions, then there's a problem.
 
Good for you, but this is as far as I get as of 5 minutes ago:

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I notice from the error message that it appears you goofed up on the security questions by providing the same answer to two of the three. I did not. So perhaps this is a case of user error?

That, or ARRGGLLLOOOBBAAAAAAAMMMAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!11!1 :mad:

ETA: So much for your claim to "not know of anyone who's been able to create an account" ;)
 
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Yes, (most of) Obamacare isn't actually here yet. The website being up or down right now doesn't really even matter. If it's still down in November, and it has some of the incredibly mind-numbingly bad design decisions, then there's a problem.

Good point. But based upon how I've seen it (at least, the federal site) improve over the last few days, and my experience today, I think most of the kinks will be worked out within the next few weeks.
 
Biscuit,

Have you checked if the site accepts cookies? ;)

Your friendly help desk agent.

I was actually wondering about this. I'm no code-monkey, but I was thinking that perhaps part of the trouble could be with the computer/browser settings on the user end. Am I on to something or just making stuff up?
 
I notice from the error message that it appears you goofed up on the security questions by providing the same answer to two of the three. I did not. So perhaps this is a case of user error?

That, or ARRGGLLLOOOBBAAAAAAAMMMAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!11!1 :mad:

ETA: So much for your claim to "not know of anyone who's been able to create an account" ;)

The best practice in situations like that is to display a friendly error message and let the user try again, not crash and display an error page.
 
Besides, you seem to be ignoring the fact that, despite what has happened in MA, the CBO is projecting a long term decrease in overall costs due to the ACA.

And what makes you think the CBO made a good projection? I haven't looked at it in a long time (in an effort not to have my head asplody), but a good sized chunk of my fellow actuaries in the health industry disagree with several of the assumptions that the CBO made.

Like I said though, I haven't bothered to look at it in a long time, nor am I going to because *effort*. The point I'm trying to make here is that the CBO isn't guaranteed any degree of rightness by dint of being a government office...
 
And what makes you think the CBO made a good projection? I haven't looked at it in a long time (in an effort not to have my head asplody), but a good sized chunk of my fellow actuaries in the health industry disagree with several of the assumptions that the CBO made.

Like I said though, I haven't bothered to look at it in a long time, nor am I going to because *effort*. The point I'm trying to make here is that the CBO isn't guaranteed any degree of rightness by dint of being a government office...

Well, with iron-clad logic like that, why have the CBO make estimates or predictions at all? Derp.
 
The best practice in situations like that is to display a friendly error message and let the user try again, not crash and display an error page.

That's exactly what the page displayed. See the big green button that says "Return to Create An Account Page"? You must have missed it. Look again.

:rolleyes:
 
So AFAICT, the biggest complaints so far are the site for a system that won't begin for another three months isn't able to handle the enormous user demand for its product in the first weeks of offering?

Wow, that's just awful.
 
I just got in what turned out to be a yelling match with a family member about Obamacare.

Basically what my understanding of Obamacare is - you have to have insurance. You can buy insurance through whichever company you want, or use the company your employer uses. You must use the health care facilities and providers that your chosen insurance company approves. All of which, coincidentally, is the way things have always been as long as I've been alive. The only major difference is that if you don't buy some kind of insurance from somebody, you now have to pay a penalty. The government has also put certain caps on how much companies can charge you, and have eliminated disqualification for pre-existing conditions.

This is not my family member's understanding of Obamacare at all. According to her, you have no choice of private insurance companies at all. People have to sign up not for insurance, but for "Obamacare", which is basically the government as insurer, and that people will not be allowed to have their own private insurance, neither are they allowed to use whichever doctor they want (which evidently private insurance companies let you do before now). According to her, doctors and even whole hospitals have also basically been quitting en masse, refusing to "accept Obamacare", leading to what is now a shortage of doctors. She also says that from now on, no hospitals in the US are allowed to operate as "charity hospitals". She further says that "Obamacare exchanges" are federal government agencies, not private agencies or companies, and that the purpose of the Republican-led government shutdown was to defund them and stop them from opening (she said this immediately after reporting having watched the NBC nightly news, which I know for a fact had a big story about how the exchanges opened today). She also said that the Obamacare signup websites which crashed today under heavy user load, were crashed due to an effort which she says she witnessed being organized over Twitter and Facebook of American citizens who wanted to deliberately crash the site as a protest of Obamacare, and not due to 8 million people using the site to buy insurance as the news reports claim. Also, only 2% of Americans support Obamacare, according to "real" non-skewed polls.

She says she knows all this because she actually reads all the non-mainstream media and all the actual government legislation and bills, while I obviously haven't.

Is she closer to the truth than I am? If not, do her views represent the majority of conservative constituents' idea of what Obamacare is? No wonder they're against it, quite frankly. I would be too.

Your family member is off her rocker. You are much more correct than she.

That said, misinformation about ACA is hardly difficult to come by.
 
I notice from the error message that it appears you goofed up on the security questions by providing the same answer to two of the three. I did not. So perhaps this is a case of user error?

That, or ARRGGLLLOOOBBAAAAAAAMMMAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!11!1 :mad:

ETA: So much for your claim to "not know of anyone who's been able to create an account" ;)
I assure you the answers to all of the security questions are completely different.

I have cleared my cache, deleted my cookies, all the usual stuff. Even tried different browsers.
 
So AFAICT, the biggest complaints so far are the site for a system that won't begin for another three months isn't able to handle the enormous user demand for its product in the first weeks of offering?

Wow, that's just awful.

Well, to be fair, there are some technical glitches (which was to be expected and not surprising given the size of this thing). However, I think the implication is correct that most of those here on the Forum who are complaining the loudest seem to have a political ax to grind.

It's almost as if they want the ACA to fail.
 
I assure you the answers to all of the security questions are completely different.

I have cleared my cache, deleted my cookies, all the usual stuff. Even tried different browsers.

The website must know that you're a Republican. That's what you get ;)
 

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