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Hawaii Cops Allowed To Have Sex With Prostitutes Before Busting Them

The Norseman said:
I see what you did there.












And because I was only watching, it is perfectly legal.
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Hey Norseman, I'm a major drug lord and don't want any cops doing the "undercover thing" in my inner circle. Don't take this the wrong way, but I find you really interesting. Please come up to my room for a cup of coffee </drugpin>
 
Prometheus said:
Hey Norseman, I'm a major drug lord and don't want any cops doing the "undercover thing" in my inner circle. Don't take this the wrong way, but I find you really interesting. Please come up to my room for a cup of coffee </drugpin>
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Right on! I don't drink coffee though. Any tea, by chance?
 
Given that prostitutes are sometimes forced into the sex trade, is catching drug dealers worth police officers being complicit in and committing rape?
 
Senor_Pointy said:
Given that prostitutes are sometimes forced into the sex trade, is catching drug dealers worth police officers being complicit in and committing rape?
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Good point, and it gives me an idea.

For every person an officer rescues from the sex slave trade, that officer has the option be paid to have sex with a legal prostitute of their choice.
 
theprestige said:
Clearly prostitution should be rebranded as "audience-participation pornography".

ETA: Though it's my understanding that what goes on in porn shoots bears as much resemblance to sex as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare bears to, well, modern warfare. So maybe it makes sense to criminalize the latter as a social harm, but permit the former as some form of artwork, or whatever.
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Not to mention the often quite weird bloopers.
 
ravdin said:
It makes no sense to me at all that it's legal to pay people to have sex with each other while you film them, but not legal to pay them to have sex with you.
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So then couldn't you open up a "Star in your own porno film" business as a loophole?
 
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I have about ten years of criminal practise under my belt and by far the most disgusting, repellent, degenerate, downright bad clients were those involved in living off immoral earnings. Legalise prostitution or crush these bastards. If the Hawaii cops are doing a good job crushing then fine. If they are only treading water and pushing up the insurance premiums then what's the point. The principal victims i.e. the girls and women are not helped by that.
 
cited article said:
Skeptics, such as Roger Young, a retired special agent who for more than 20 years worked sex crimes for the FBI from Las Vegas and has trained vice squads around the country, remain unconvinced.

Young said Thursday, "I don't know of any state or federal law that allows any law enforcement officer undercover to penetrate or do what this law is allowing."
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I am going to agree with the skeptical FBI agent.
 
I'm reminded of a certain South Park episode, where the detective poses as a prostitute to catch John's...
 
theprestige said:
Well, I wouldn't call appeals to popularity and ignorance skeptical, but okay. At least citing a 20-year veteran of the Bureau isn't an appeal to false authority. So there's that.
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What's the advantage of allowing police to break the law with impunity in order to catch people who break the law?

And anglolawyer asked a very good question and I was wondering if you'd answer it. He asked, "[w]hat's the clear up rate for crime solved by these undercover shaggers?"
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Hey progressquest, I'm a major drug lord and don't want any cops doing the "undercover thing" in my inner circle. Cops are allowed to have sex with prostitutes here, so please kill this one to confirm that you are not a cop. </drugpin>
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A new associate meets an illicit supplier of a product, as a gesture of trust and goodwill the supplier gives a free sample to the new associate. Refusal will elicit suspicion.

Sometimes the product is drugs, sometimes it's sex. Never is it murder. Think of the consequences of committing a murder, not from the point of view of society or of the victim, but from the point of view of the "drugpin".

Dead body on the floor that needs to be disposed of, witnesses that may be other girls working for him or other associates that suddenly realise they might be next, the stakes are massively increased and there is no gain, there's a loss. A freeby with a hooker or a quick snort of product is a negligible cost to the boss here. The death of a girl who is a source of income and is probably an investment already made (especially if they have been trafficked from another country) is not only a major risk, she's also a colossal waste of money. That's without even accounting for the fact that not all criminals, even hardened ones, ever engage in murder.

The headline in the topic is very misleading, and this appears to be deliberate. The topic header implies that the cops are allowed to have sex with a prostitute and then arrest her, getting a freebie and a bust at the same time. What the article suggests is that an officer engaging in unethical behaviour in the process of an investigation is permissible in this particular case.

Sex with a prostitute in the process of gathering evidence against that prostitute would very clearly be unethical. But sex once with a prostitute as part of an investigation that would ultimately free ten women from a lifetime of forced sex certainly changes the balance.

How I feel about it depends on how successful these operations are.
 
Thanks for a rational response, squealpiggy. That doesn't settle the issue, but it does give more perspective.
 
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