Hawaii Cops Allowed To Have Sex With Prostitutes Before Busting Them

[ravdin]

More police absurdity, this time from the Hawaii 5-0 Vice Squad:

Honolulu police officers have urged lawmakers to keep an exemption in state law that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes during investigations, touching off a heated debate.

Authorities say they need the legal protection to catch lawbreakers in the act. Critics, including human trafficking experts and other police, say it's unnecessary and could further victimize sex workers, many of whom have been forced into the trade.

Let me see if I can explain the position of the Hawaii police: it's against department policy for undercover police to have sex with prostitutes. However, if they do it then they will do it responsibly. Therefore it's of the utmost importance that they are allowed to have sex with prostitutes so that they can put a stop to sex with prostitutes.

The exemption has recently been hotly debated in the HI legislature, where the House of Representatives upheld it due to pressure from the police. The HI Senate doesn't see it quite the same way, however. After intense, closed door sessions the police and the chair of the judiciary and labor committee have reached an agreement: should the bill pass there will be no more sex with prostitutes for the police.

“There are other parts of the exemption that will remain and that includes sexual contact,” Sen. Hee said.

So don't worry, guys: you can still get a handjob before making the arrest!

 

[progressquest]

Hey ravdin, I'm a major drug lord and don't want any cops doing the "undercover thing" in my inner circle. Please have sex with this prostitute to confirm that you are not a cop. </drugpin>

This is probably not happening very often, but if police have an absolute rule that they can't, then it seems like an easy process of elimination for the criminals to follow. At least, that is probably the thinking of the police officers involved.

 

[theprestige]

If you ask an undercover cop if they're a cop, they have to answer truthfully, right?

I doubt this is about busting prostitutes. More likely it's about being able to maintain cover long enough to bust ringleaders. Still, a pretty awkward and unpleasant contingency to have to provide for.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

If you ask an undercover cop if they're a cop, they have to answer truthfully, right?I doubt this is about busting prostitutes. More likely it's about being able to maintain cover long enough to bust ringleaders. Still, a pretty awkward and unpleasant contingency to have to provide for.

Myth. Cops lie all the time.

 

[theprestige]

Myth. Cops lie all the time.

ThatsTheJoke.jpg

Except, of course, it won't be a joke if Hawaii lawmakers insist on giving human traffickers a litmus test for exposing undercover cops.

Maybe undercover investigation isn't the right solution for this kind of crime, but I don't think the issue is so simple, no the cops such horrible people, as the OP implies.

 

[ravdin]

Hey ravdin, I'm a major drug lord and don't want any cops doing the "undercover thing" in my inner circle. Please have sex with this prostitute to confirm that you are not a cop. </drugpin>

This is probably not happening very often, but if police have an absolute rule that they can't, then it seems like an easy process of elimination for the criminals to follow. At least, that is probably the thinking of the police officers involved.

Wow, until now I was using "snort this!" to figure out who the undercover cops are. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that next time!

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Hey ravdin, I'm a major drug lord and don't want any cops doing the "undercover thing" in my inner circle. Please have sex with this prostitute to confirm that you are not a cop. </drugpin>

Hey progressquest, I'm a major drug lord and don't want any cops doing the "undercover thing" in my inner circle. Cops are allowed to have sex with prostitutes here, so please kill this one to confirm that you are not a cop. </drugpin>

 

[WildCat]

"Prove you're not a cop. Shave off your moustache".

Works every time.

 

[fuelair]

More police absurdity, this time from the Hawaii 5-0 Vice Squad:



Let me see if I can explain the position of the Hawaii police: it's against department policy for undercover police to have sex with prostitutes. However, if they do it then they will do it responsibly. Therefore it's of the utmost importance that they are allowed to have sex with prostitutes so that they can put a stop to sex with prostitutes.

The exemption has recently been hotly debated in the HI legislature, where the House of Representatives upheld it due to pressure from the police. The HI Senate doesn't see it quite the same way, however. After intense, closed door sessions the police and the chair of the judiciary and labor committee have reached an agreement: should the bill pass there will be no more sex with prostitutes for the police.



So don't worry, guys: you can still get a handjob before making the arrest!

How do their wives feel about that?

 

[marplots]

How do their wives feel about that?

Thankful for the break?

 

[theprestige]

Hey progressquest, I'm a major drug lord and don't want any cops doing the "undercover thing" in my inner circle. Cops are allowed to have sex with prostitutes here, so please kill this one to confirm that you are not a cop. </drugpin>

Do you think it's reasonable to draw the line between sex and murder? If so, why? If not, why not?

 

[MattusMaximus]

The clear solution here is to simply legalize prostitution. Problem solved.

 

[ravdin]

The clear solution here is to simply legalize prostitution. Problem solved.

It makes no sense to me at all that it's legal to pay people to have sex with each other while you film them, but not legal to pay them to have sex with you.

 

[theprestige]

It makes no sense to me at all that it's legal to pay people to have sex with each other while you film them, but not legal to pay them to have sex with you.

Clearly prostitution should be rebranded as "audience-participation pornography".

ETA: Though it's my understanding that what goes on in porn shoots bears as much resemblance to sex as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare bears to, well, modern warfare. So maybe it makes sense to criminalize the latter as a social harm, but permit the former as some form of artwork, or whatever.

 

[The Norseman]

Clearly prostitution should be rebranded as "audience-participation pornography".

ETA: Though it's my understanding that what goes on in porn shoots bears as much resemblance to sex as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare bears to, well, modern warfare. So maybe it makes sense to criminalize the latter as a social harm, but permit the former as some form of artwork, or whatever.

If it's social harm then what's the point in allowing cops to further the harm? What does this allowance ostensibly help?

 

[anglolawyer]

What's the clear up rate for crime solved by these undercover shaggers?

 

[theprestige]

If it's social harm then what's the point in allowing cops to further the harm? What does this allowance ostensibly help?

Then what's the point in having any undercover investigations at all?

Anyway, I was making a joke about unrealistic sexual positions in pornos, not advancing a serious policy proposal.

But if you're advancing a serious policy proposal, then please give a serious answer to my question.

Thanks in advance.

 

[The Norseman]

Then what's the point in having any undercover investigations at all?

Anyway, I was making a joke about unrealistic sexual positions in pornos, not advancing a serious policy proposal.

But if you're advancing a serious policy proposal, then please give a serious answer to my question.

Thanks in advance.

I have a very difficult time in seeing police work as "the ends justify the means." I see it as unjustifiable in any endeavor, actually. The laws need to be adjusted first before we grant free license to police to do the work of protecting us from ourselves.

 

[Prometheus]

What's the clear up rate for crime solved by these undercover shaggers?

Well, if they're not allowed to shag anymore, it'll be going down.

 

[John Jones]

More police absurdity, this time from the Hawaii 5-0 Vice Squad:



Let me see if I can explain the position of the Hawaii police: it's against department policy for undercover police to have sex with prostitutes. However, if they do it then they will do it responsibly. Therefore it's of the utmost importance that they are allowed to have sex with prostitutes so that they can put a stop to sex with prostitutes.

The exemption has recently been hotly debated in the HI legislature, where the House of Representatives upheld it due to pressure from the police. The HI Senate doesn't see it quite the same way, however. After intense, closed door sessions the police and the chair of the judiciary and labor committee have reached an agreement: should the bill pass there will be no more sex with prostitutes for the police.



So don't worry, guys: you can still get a handjob before making the arrest!

I'm sure there is a point some where up there, but I don't know what it is.