Have you ever had a "religious experience"?

Hokulele said:
Prove Fermat's last theorem.
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n > 2, a^n + b^n ~= c^n ... 'cos Popovich says so? ;)

Miss Anthrope said:
This is the reason a lot of cults pull the old sleep deprivation trick on you. Landmark Forum seminars are notorious for it. They keep you up late on homework, have you discuss very emotional issues.....you're ripe for a breakdown. A lot of people have very "religious" type breakthroughs while sleep deprived and stressed out.
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Landmark Forum :tongue-ti (est redux), textbook brainwashing. Equal parts Scientology, Zen, and Heidegger. They're a very slick, smarmy bunch alright.

(Without too much detail or gravity [let's hope]), I've had a few strange experiences associated with lifelong mental illness. I can understand (and have seen close up) how mentally ill people become convinced they are in contact with something like God. None of it ever felt religious to me though. Maybe I was ready for it because it runs in the family. Maybe because my immediate family isn't religious (aside from a brush with the aforementioned Forum).

I was hospitalized once with very bad psychosis. I had barely slept in a month, convinced my head would explode if I fell asleep for too long. The nurses strapped me down and shot me full of sedatives. I was afraid at this point I was going to die, but I was so tired. I started to fade, let go, nothingness almost a relief. I stopped struggling, lay back, closed my eyes and thought: "Finally, well this is not so bad you know, one last deep breath, that's all..."

I woke up the next morning, somewhat surprised that I had... woken up the next morning! But the bigger surprise was in my head; or not in my head. It was completely clear of every trace of every crazy thought and feeling I'd ever had. Tabula rasa: depression, fixation, phobia, psychosis... gone. It was the strangest thing -- like being "born again" I suppose, although literally, because I thought I had died the night before.

Anyway, for the rest of the summer I walked around with this ridiculous clarity, which most people call "normal", but I never knew existed. I began to take absurd pleasure in the simplest things, from birdsong to twilight, ice cream to bowling. :) Mostly just being around people, friends, family, hanging out. It was a revelation to me just how easy it was to get through a day like that, how easy life was, how important life was, and precious. I was glad I hadn't died. And I suddenly understood for the first time how "normal" people get through each day and get through their lives, and how they might want that life, however trivial it might have seemed to me before, to last forever.

I guess that's as close to a religious experience as I'll ever have.
 
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blobru said:
I can understand (and have seen close up) how mentally ill people become convinced they are in contact with something like God.
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There is a reason for everything.

If you want to hide specific truths, then simply set up a small percentage of the population to appear to be psychotic. You then place in their hands, fragments of the truth. JOB DONE !

As is clearly demonstrated here in an absolutely predictable manner, no one pays any attention to even a single word spoken by such people who have been placed under the title " psychotic ".

Like I said, there are two planes of reality. If you are not to bright, like today's physicists, then you say that particles have dual Particle-Wave properties. This is, as usual, incorrect !

In truth, because of there being two planes of reality that intersect, events that occur at that point of intersection, can be governed from either of the two planes of reality. The Holistic plane of reality, unlike the Relativistic plane, extends across Time.

In an experiment known as the two slit light experiment, light passes through two slits and then reaches a destination wall. On that wall one sees an interference pattern that implies that the particles of light, the photons, have behaved like waves which have interfered with each other.

However, if we monitor the photons passing through one or both of the slits, then this interference pattern disappears. This is known as the collapse of the quantum wave.

If we just look at the outcome of the experiment instead, then the interference pattern is present. The photons also are particles which have spin properties. As they move across space, this spin property contributes to the path of the photon across space being a corkscrew shaped path.

Now, from the Holistic point of view, which looks across time, the complete corkscrew shaped path of each photon, from the light source to the destination wall, is seen all at the same time, rather than the photon being seen as a particle at one place in Space at one point in Time.

Due to the event being now governed from the Holistic side of reality, here we have a complete corkscrew shaped path of a photon which may interfere with a complete corkscrew shaped path of another photon. The interference pattern that develops at the destination wall, is due to such interference of these complete corkscrew shaped paths. The interference pattern at the destination wall is the result of this Holistic Event.

If instead, as I said before, we monitor the photons passing through slits, then each detection of a photon being present at the slit locations, becomes an event in itself. These are real time Relativistic Events. Due to Relativistic Events having taken place, a once possible larger Holistic event has now been replaced by smaller real time Relativistic Events, hence the collapse of the so called quantum wave. Now that the Holistic Event has been replaced, the photons can only interfere with each other as particles that are limited to being located at one place in Space at one point in Time.

Governing of events from the Holistic side, and done so by those who exist on the Holistic side, call them Gods if you wish, leads to either that which seem miraculous from our point of view, due to us seeing the effect but not seeing the cause, or it can seem to be impossible / crazy since we are used to seeing only events that are triggered from our own side of reality.

With this being the case, we have come up with things such as a flawed Particle-Wave description, which is also incomplete, due to only including the Relativistic plane of reality in the equation.

So, yes one can divide the red sea, multiply fish, bring the dead back to life, or toy with the minds of 1% of the population, when it comes to event manipulation done from the Holistic side.

Again, those who do not think, are those who will reject this fact, and do so in an instant.

So yes, they are in contact with " something ", as you say.

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MINISTERofTRUTH said:
If you want to hide specific truths, then simply set up a small percentage of the population to appear to be psychotic. You then place in their hands, fragments of the truth. JOB DONE !
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Well, that's one way of doing it. It's easier to sit back and let that small percentage set themselves up.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
Well, that's one way of doing it. It's easier to sit back and let that small percentage set themselves up.
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Believe it or not, that's not funny.

Like I said, you can bring the dead back to life. What also can be done, and is being done, is keep someone alive while they are being tortured suffice enough to have killed them thousands of times over.

Those who speak of it, naturally are not believed at all.

Those on the other side laugh since they can get away with whatever they wish to, since those on the relativistic side live in their happy go lucky I know everything, I'm never wrong, state of mind.

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MINISTERofTRUTH said:
Governing of events from the Holistic side, and done so by those who exist on the Holistic side, call them Gods if you wish, leads to either that which seem miraculous from our point of view, due to us seeing the effect but not seeing the cause, or it can seem to be impossible / crazy since we are used to seeing only events that are triggered from our own side of reality.

With this being the case, we have come up with things such as a flawed Particle-Wave description, which is also incomplete, due to only including the Relativistic plane of reality in the equation.

So, yes one can divide the red sea, multiply fish, bring the dead back to life, or toy with the minds of 1% of the population, when it comes to event manipulation done from the Holistic side.

Again, those who do not think, are those who will reject this fact, and do so in an instant.

So yes, they are in contact with " something ", as you say.
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Sorry MoT dude, you caught me at a bad time for this stuff (between psychoses). :gasp:
 
The diffraction pattern still appears if you observe which slit the electron passes through. The pattern is made of all of the electron hits, while the slit observation watches only one.
 
When I was a kid I had a religious experience every Sunday because my parents made me. It was boring, except when I got old enough to go on Youth Camp, and the atrociously irresponsible elder members did things like shot at our canoes with air guns, drove us head-on towards trucks, and convinced someone they'd be sent to prison for killing a seagull within 5 miles of the coastline.

And then I read the Bible, at age 9 or something, and had another religious experience, about how all these neat stories were just that - neat stories. Fortunately shortly after this my parents stopped making me have these boring Sunday morning religious experiences.

I think they called it "church" or something...

-Gumboot
 
Lonewulf said:
Yo.

In this thread, a poster named Verum stated that he had a religious experience:



So, I'm asking anybody, whether they are or were Buddhist or Christian, Hindu or Muslim, if they've ever had what they would describe as any kind of a "religious experience" -- whether or not you are currently an atheist, and have come to question said experiences.

I'm curious about this phenomenon, though I am beginning to feel that it's somewhat exaggerated. Thank you. :)
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Samantha, after a Pink Floyd concert, a truly transcendental experience. Well, at least it was for me...
 
Using verum's concept of a religious experience I don't think it is possible.

Religious experience as in the process or fact of personally observing, encountering, or undergoing something religious? I've watched weddings and funerals that were religious.

The only religious experience I recall as a believer was "Why do they lie?".

Unfortunately, I have experienced the religious. Last time I gave them back their leaflet and sent them away.

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I once came very close to getting killed, but I never thought it had anything supernatural.

In 1987 during a summer job doing construction inspection, I was driving between two job sites. I thought a train track was abandoned, having driven over it for weeks with no sign of a train, and so I was zooming towards it at about 50 mph. A train appeared, and it was moving fast. I slammed on the brakes with both feet, like Elwood on the drawbridge. My car slid in leaving a trail of smoke, and stopped 4 or 5 feet from the tracks, just as the train rolled by. The engineer was staring right at me, shaking his head.

I was so shaken up that my legs were rubbery and I had trouble standing for an hour after that. If I'd hit the brakes a tenth of a second later, the train would have been in my lap and it would have been all over.

But I've never felt that anything but luck played a part in that.
 
PhxHorn, you remind me of a tale that a christian told me. He said that he became a christian because he avoided being hit by a car, and claimed that it was impossible for events to have occurred the way they did (please don't ask for details, he didn't offer many himself, and it's been a very very long time since I've talked to him on the subject); thus, he became a Christian, thanks to this "miracle". I suppose this might be seen to be a "religious experience", though it's a bit different than the feelings of euphoria explained earlier in this thread.

The thing is, what seems impossible in our perspective, in a moment-filled adrenaline-filled moment, later relying on fallible human memory, usually makes things seem more "miraculous" than they really were.
 
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PhxHorn, you remind me of a tale that a christian told me. He said that he became a christian because he avoided being hit by a car, and claimed that it was impossible for events to have occurred the way they did (please don't ask for details, he didn't offer many himself, and it's been a very very long time since I've talked to him on the subject); thus, he became a Christian, thanks to this "miracle". I suppose this might be seen to be a "religious experience", though it's a bit different than the feelings of euphoria explained earlier in this thread.

The thing is, what seems impossible in our perspective, in a moment-filled adrenaline-filled moment, later relying on fallible human memory, usually makes things seem more "miraculous" than they really were.
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What strikes me as so odd is the sheer ego that suggests god deems one more important than another. Sure, he was saved from being hit by a car, but the child being brutally murdered by a psychopath down the street.......
 
Miss Anthrope said:
What strikes me as so odd is the sheer ego that suggests god deems one more important than another. Sure, he was saved from being hit by a car, but the child being brutally murdered by a psychopath down the street.......
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The thing was, it was less so that he survived and attributed it to God, and moreso that, from his perspective, the survival experience was *impossible*, but still happened.

I have to admit, if the laws of physics were broken before my eyes, I would have to either assume that I was mistaken or delusional or somesuch, OR believe in either the supernatural or the incredible. (Though, thanks to my personal biase, I'd head towards either the incredible or the mistaken).
 
Lonewulf said:
He said that he became a christian because he avoided being hit by a car, and claimed that it was impossible for events to have occurred the way they did (please don't ask for details, he didn't offer many himself, and it's been a very very long time since I've talked to him on the subject); thus, he became a Christian, thanks to this "miracle".
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Even given that such events were directed by a supernatural entity, how would he have known it was the Christian god? I'll bet Zeus is PO'ed.
 
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