Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

bill smith said:
A bit like what Richard Gage did but somewhat less clumsily (sorry Richard) Done carefully it would reinforce the idea that the top 15% of an item does not crush the other and sronger 85% of the same item down level with the floor.-ever.. Everybody already knows that in their bones.

Rightfuly so- because it has never ever happened in the recorded history of this Planet ..
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So what is happening here Bill?

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Heiwa said:
Why not build a tower of Hardfire mugs and drop a mug on it? I would love to see all these mugs disintegrate.
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bill smith said:
I imgine that it would be okay if Tony had a cheap but realistic cardboard model of WTC1 made in which he could lift up he top 10 or 15%.
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OMFG, these are the funniest posts ever! Right after 7 videos showing gravity-driven collapses and crush-downs in real, actual structures Heiwa and Billy boy demand examples made of coffee mugs and cardboard!

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bill smith said:
Yes, that was an effective demolition too.
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You said:

"top 15% of an item does not crush the other and sronger 85% of the same item down level with the floor.-ever."

Yet that is exactly what is happening in that video.

Please explain.

(note that this demolition uses no explosives and RELIES on the top section crushing the bottom section)
 
R.Mackey said:
There are at least four other threads where exactly this same information is being argued with (viz. ignored by) Heiwa. Not this one.

I have him on Ignore, and all of you should too. Just because he can't read Rule 11 of his membership agreement doesn't mean you have to pile on. I'm getting awful tired of saying this.
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Agreed (finally).
I subscribe to this thread to get news of the Hardfire episode, not to have to trawl through more of this nonsense.

Can we please keep this thread for its designed topic - information about when Hardfire will be filmed and presented for viewing?
 
Edx said:
You said:

"top 15% of an item does not crush the other and sronger 85% of the same item down level with the floor.-ever."

Yet that is exactly what is happening in that video.

Please explain.

(note that this demolition uses no explosives and RELIES on the top section crushing the bottom section)
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Yes that is one of the almost exclusively French systems of demolition.I can't remember he name right now.

It is a controlled demolition as the title says so you can be sure that the lower portion has been specially prepared to produce this result. Otherwise it would have fallen down long before this n'est pas ?

WTC1 was specially prepared too but in a different,uniquely American way.
 
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chillzero said:
Agreed (finally).
I subscribe to this thread to get news of the Hardfire episode, not to have to trawl through more of this nonsense.

Can we please keep this thread for its designed topic - information about when Hardfire will be filmed and presented for viewing?
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Okay...I agree.
 
Chillzero and others.

I apologize for having this thread devolve from my request for Ryan to mention these gravity driven collapses.

I was asked to provide the specific videos, and I did. From there, I apologize that I violated rule 11.
 
Easy done, easily remedied.
:)

So ... to recap on topic ... the taping is scheduled for 27th September.
Anyone know how long until we'd see it then?
 
Here's what Ronald Wieck wrote to me today regarding Mr. Chandler pulling out (again) from the Hardfire debate. I think Ron makes some very good points - why is David Chandler avoiding debate?


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Tired Routine
Well, Chandler has made it official: he's ducking the debate. You may use our exchanges for any purpose you deem appropriate.

Ron

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:03 PM, gary popkin <> wrote:

I have reserved the studio for Sunday afternoon, September 27, from 1PM to 4 Eastern Time. I will need Tony and Ron in their seats in the studio at 1:15.

David or Ryan will have to be designated as the "caller." The caller will have to call two telephone numbers. Ryan says that three-way calling is a pretty routine part of phone service these days. Around 1:30 I will call the designated caller and tell him to proceed to make the three-way call. Please use your best phone for this purpose.

We can then spend a few minutes adjusting volumes and so on, and testing whether all four participants can hear one another. When we are ready to begin taping, I will have Ron tell Ryan and David to start rolling their camcorders or web cams. If for any reason David can't accommodate to this procedure, we will go ahead without him.

I will need, in advance in electronic form, any visuals that you want to include in the program. You should also trade visuals in advance so everyone knows what we are looking at.

Gary

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From: David Chandler [mailto:d
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:51 PM
To: gary popkin
Cc: Ryan Mackey; Ronald Wieck; Tony Szamboti
Subject: Re: BAck onn Track



Hi All,
I talked it over with Tony and I am going to stay out of the debate. I signed onto this thing as something that was going to happen during the summer. I don't have the time to put in on it during the school year. Tony will do a fine job. Have a good one.
--David Chandler


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Ronald Wieck <> wrote:

If I may inject a note of cynicism into these proceedings, you are saying that you can't find the time to break the biggest story in the history of journalism, one that will win you fame and fortune. You are attempting to overturn basic principles of physics, refute the professional opinions of every demolition expert in the world, establish the existence of heretofore unknown substances of extraordinary, indeed magical, powers—yet all of this takes second place to marking homework papers.



When your bizarre movement stops ducking real scientists and engineers, an honest debate will be possible.



Ron

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From: David Chandler [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:53 PM
To: Ronald Wieck
Subject: Re: Back on Track



You're out of line.
--David Chandler




(Ron Wieck wrote to David Chandler)

Yes, you now want a vigorous e-mail debate about your predictable behavior—of course you do. You will hurl abuse and feign anger, but you wont do your act for more than a handful of people. Will you defend your outlandish claims, the ones that have been thoroughly demolished on the JREF, in front of a television audience (an admittedly tiny one)? After your dismal performance on that forum, absolutely no one dreamed you would show up.



David Ray Grifter made us jump through hoops to arrange a format he would accept. When we finally surmounted all the hurdles, the publication of Mackey's devastating white paper sent him running for the hills. The fraud attempted feebly to distract from his contemptible, craven behavior by calling me dishonest.



Look, I understand—everyone understands-- that you dont care to try defending indefensible rubbish against a NASA engineer. Your realization, however, that the nonsense you promote has been exposed wont stop you from, well, promoting it. This incident encapsulates almost eight years of shenanigans by the grotesquely misnamed truth movement. There is even a name for the tactic of braying loud challenges to government agencies that aren't listening while avoiding all confrontations with real scientists and engineers: the Twoofer Two-step-and-Slide. Its buffoonish clumsiness still gets laughs from rationalists, but the novelty has worn off through excessive use.



Ron
 
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bill smith said:
Yes that is one of the almost exclusively French systems of demolition.I can't remember he name right now.

It is a controlled demolition as the title says so you can be sure that the lower portion has been specially prepared to produce this result. Otherwise it would have fallen down long before this n'est pas ?

WTC1 was specially prepared too but in a different,uniquely American way.
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You're avoiding the point that what you see happen in that video you claim is impossible.
 
Edx said:
You're avoiding the point that what you see happen in that video you claim is impossible.
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Truthers see a plane crashing into the WTC, "it didn't happen!" they claim. There's no evidence of explosives, no sight nor sound in the collapses, "it must be explosives" they say. When confronted with other collapses that have the same progession, "no way" they insist, "you must desist because my coffee mugs won't budge!"
 
R.Mackey said:
Looks like we're on for 27 September. Also looks like David may be rejoining us after all, but he hasn't committed for sure in the e-mail I've seen. ETA: David is dropping out.

With any luck, the shows should be out a week or so after the debate. Updates as they arrive.
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Excellent.
 
alienentity said:
Ron:
David Ray Grifter made us jump through hoops to arrange a format he would accept. When we finally surmounted all the hurdles, the publication of Mackey's devastating white paper sent him running for the hills. The fraud attempted feebly to distract from his contemptible, craven behavior by calling me dishonest.
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:dl: Same old pomeroo.
 
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