Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

[beachnut]

Speaking for myself Dave, I am not looking for the Truth of 9/11. I know that Truth. I am just trying to put the details together.

While posting lies?
Why does this sound like another false statement? You post false information as fast as it passes your, it is a lie I need to post it filter. You have failed to get anything right about 911; you have a perfect record of posting delusions.

The Hardfire show will be posted. Will you understand the math and physics, or continue to post lies instead of learning about 911? Will you prefer conspiracy theories to valid science? Can you learn the truth from Hardfire or will you continue posting the lies you support on 911?

 

[twinstead]

I get the impression that bill knows the truth like a Christian knows God exists.

 

[HyJinX]

Speaking for myself Dave, I am not looking for the Truth of 9/11. I know that Truth. I am just trying to put the details together.

But there are no details that support your "truth"... so all you have is empty faith-based delusions built on a foundation of lies, assumptions and a cornucopia of ridiculous crappola.

 

[R.Mackey]

Date set... finally...

Looks like we're on for 27 September. Also looks like David may be rejoining us after all, but he hasn't committed for sure in the e-mail I've seen. ETA: David is dropping out.

With any luck, the shows should be out a week or so after the debate. Updates as they arrive.

 

[LashL]

Looks like we're on for 27 September.

Excellent. Looking forward to it.

Also looks like David may be rejoining us after all, but he hasn't committed for sure in the e-mail I've seen. ETA: David is dropping out.

That does not surprise me in the least. He seems wholly incapable of defending his nonsensical recent video even in a discussion forum where he has lots of time to think about and formulate his responses to legitimate criticism, so I imagine that a live debate in which he would be called on said nonsense would be entirely beyond his abilities.

With any luck, the shows should be out a week or so after the debate. Updates as they arrive.

Ta.

 

[TruthersLie]

Hey Ryan.

Please make sure to reference the french collapse videos using hydraulics which show the gravity driven collapses.

Pretty please.... I'd love to see tony squirm. Can you take a copy of the video to the debate and have hardfire play them?

oh for TONY where is the missing JOLT from them? Is there one?

 

[fourtoe]

Looks like we're on for 27 September. Also looks like David may be rejoining us after all, but he hasn't committed for sure in the e-mail I've seen. ETA: David is dropping out.

With any luck, the shows should be out a week or so after the debate. Updates as they arrive.

Ahh! So far away, I cannot wait.

Have you done other live debates before Ryan? I saw the Hardfireseses you did at the end of last year and they were great. I was just wondering if there is other videos or audio of you debating some other Truther or something like that.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Hey Ryan.

Please make sure to reference the french collapse videos using hydraulics which show the gravity driven collapses.

Pretty please.... I'd love to see tony squirm. Can you take a copy of the video to the debate and have hardfire play them?

oh for TONY where is the missing JOLT from them? Is there one?

You gotta link to the video you are referencing; I'd like to see it.

I think you may-be talking about Balzac which is also a compelling video. But, I thought that was done with explosives.


Woof!

 

[TruthersLie]

Instead explosives, they use hydraulic jacks that push the walls and columns of a single floor.

It's a demolition technique very common in France, called vèrinage.

Some examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syzKBBB_THE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woUXqe6Gsqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04X4fGOh7WA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IU7eUny_5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJLm5-be4LM

These two I found
this one shows you HOW the hydraulics work
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3vaow_destruction-du-batiment-andes-a-st_news

This is the balzac collapse, but it is in much better detail, with some GREAT slow motion and you can SEE the debris pile after the collapse.
http://www.strimoo.com/video/12509995/Mort-d-un-batiment-MySpaceVideos.html

This completely DESTROYS the no crushdown. The 3 and 5th of the youtube videos have a SMALLER part A crushing down a LARGER part C.

ETA: I can't forget

http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist...i32e_demolition-dimmeuble-a-vandoeuvrele_news

 

[Heiwa]

Let's say the Holocaust did not happen

Hey Ryan.

Please make sure to reference the french collapse videos using hydraulics which show the gravity driven collapses.

Pretty please.... I'd love to see tony squirm. Can you take a copy of the video to the debate and have hardfire play them?

oh for TONY where is the missing JOLT from them? Is there one?

Pls remember how Bazant defines a gravity-driven progressive collapse of a tower in his latest paper:

"The gravity-driven progressive collapse of a tower consists of two phases—the crush-down, followed by crush-up (Fig. 2 bottom), each of which is governed by a different differential equation (Bazant and Verdure 2007, pp. 312-313). During the crush-down, the falling upper part of tower (C in Fig. 2 bottom), having a compacted layer of debris at its bottom (zone B), is crushing the lower part (zone A) with negligible damage to itself. During the crush-up, the moving upper part C of tower is being crushed at bottom by the compacted debris B resting on the ground."

...

"When the upper floor (of zone C) crashes into the lower one (zone A), with a layer of rubble between them (zone C), the initial height h of the story (zone A below) is reduced to lambda h, with lambda denoting the compaction ratio (in finite-strain theory, lambda is called the stretch). After that, the load can increase without bounds."

...
"Since the initial crush-up phase terminates at very small axial deformation, it must be concluded that the simplifying hypothesis of one-way crushing is perfectly justified and causes only an imperceptible difference in results".

Now - this is the THEORY of NWO. If it works in THE REAL WORLD is another matter. Maybe Mackey can produce a new, real structure in the Hardfire show that shows us a gravity driven collapse of a tower?

 

[Justin39640]

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Now - this is the THEORY of NWO. If it works in THE REAL WORLD is another matter. Maybe Mackey can produce a new, real structure in the Hardfire show that shows us a gravity driven collapse of a tower?

 

[twinstead]

Wow Heiwa. There are examples everywhere that are totally contradictory to everything you have been saying since you joined this forum. What's up with that?

 

[TruthersLie]

Pls remember how Bazant defines a gravity-driven progressive collapse of a tower in his latest paper:

"The gravity-driven progressive collapse of a tower consists of two phases—the crush-down, followed by crush-up (Fig. 2 bottom), each of which is governed by a different differential equation (Bazant and Verdure 2007, pp. 312-313). During the crush-down, the falling upper part of tower (C in Fig. 2 bottom), having a compacted layer of debris at its bottom (zone B), is crushing the lower part (zone A) with negligible damage to itself. During the crush-up, the moving upper part C of tower is being crushed at bottom by the compacted debris B resting on the ground."

[qimg]http://heiwaco.tripod.com/WTCxx.jpg[/qimg]
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"When the upper floor (of zone C) crashes into the lower one (zone A), with a layer of rubble between them (zone C), the initial height h of the story (zone A below) is reduced to lambda h, with lambda denoting the compaction ratio (in finite-strain theory, lambda is called the stretch). After that, the load can increase without bounds."

...
"Since the initial crush-up phase terminates at very small axial deformation, it must be concluded that the simplifying hypothesis of one-way crushing is perfectly justified and causes only an imperceptible difference in results".

Now - this is the THEORY of NWO. If it works in THE REAL WORLD is another matter. Maybe Mackey can produce a new, real structure in the Hardfire show that shows us a gravity driven collapse of a tower?

YOu obviously haven't watched ANY of the 6 hydraulic french collapses. The balzac video that I posted DIRECTLY to you, show how the crush down, crush up actually happened. The slow motion shows that you are full of crap. The after shots show that you are full of crap...

Do some BASIC research twoof. To think you graduated from an "engineering" program somewhere with those skills... tsk tsk tsk.

 

[TruthersLie]

<snip>
Now - this is the THEORY of NWO. If it works in THE REAL WORLD is another matter. Maybe Mackey can produce a new, real structure in the Hardfire show that shows us a gravity driven collapse of a tower?

I guess the french never got that message.

Hey Anders, why don't you call the Ferrari demolitions and ask them to explain it to you.

maybe they can use SMALL words and explain it simply.

 

[R.Mackey]

There are at least four other threads where exactly this same information is being argued with (viz. ignored by) Heiwa. Not this one.

I have him on Ignore, and all of you should too. Just because he can't read Rule 11 of his membership agreement doesn't mean you have to pile on. I'm getting awful tired of saying this.

 

[Heiwa]

There are at least four other threads where exactly this same information is being argued with (viz. ignored by) Heiwa. Not this one.

I have him on Ignore, and all of you should too. Just because he can't read Rule 11 of his membership agreement doesn't mean you have to pile on. I'm getting awful tired of saying this.

I am just offering on-topic advice for your upcoming Hardfire showing. You know, a real, new structure that performs a gravity-driven progressive collapse in front of Tony S would really give your ideas some support and you might even win the debate. People like visible action in TV shows. Why not build a tower of Hardfire mugs and drop a mug on it? I would love to see all these mugs disintegrate.

 

[alienentity]

Heiwa, I think the verdict is in regarding your idea: it fails.

Your protestations will not help you if your idea is wrong. In fact it serves to make you a laughingstock, an irrelevancy to any serious discussion.

These two additional videos from Carlos are the final nail in the coffin for you. There is no question about it.

But more important, it falsifies the truther hypothesis (Tony Szamboti, Steven Jones, take your pick) that a moving block of upper floors cannot collapse a building down to the foundations. Q.E.D.

 

[Heiwa]

Heiwa, I think the verdict is in regarding your idea: it fails.

Your protestations will not help you if your idea is wrong. In fact it serves to make you a laughingstock, an irrelevancy to any serious discussion.

These two additional videos from Carlos are the final nail in the coffin for you. There is no question about it.

But more important, it falsifies the truther hypothesis (Tony Szamboti, Steven Jones, take your pick) that a moving block of upper floors cannot collapse a building down to the foundations. Q.E.D.

You are off topic - see Rule 11. This is the Hardfire thread. But you are wrong anyway.

 

[alienentity]

No Heiwa, it's not off-topic. Again you are incorrect. I referenced Tony Szamboti, who is taking part in the Hardfire debate.

The videos are specifically germane to Tony's concepts. I wonder if Tony would like to calculate the 'jolts' of those collapses also? It would certainly be interesting.

 

[bill smith]

I am just offering on-topic advice for your upcoming Hardfire showing. You know, a real, new structure that performs a gravity-driven progressive collapse in front of Tony S would really give your ideas some support and you might even win the debate. People like visible action in TV shows. Why not build a tower of Hardfire mugs and drop a mug on it? I would love to see all these mugs disintegrate.

I was thinking something similar. I imgine that it would be okay if Tony had a cheap but realistic cardboard model of WTC1 made in which he could lift up he top 10 or 15%. It could be an effective visual.

A bit like what Richard Gage did but somewhat less clumsily carried out (sorry Richard) Done carefully it would reinforce the idea that the top 15% of an item does not crush the other and sronger 85% of the same item down level with the floor.-ever.. Everybody already knows that in their bones.

Rightfuly so- because it has never ever happened in the recorded history of this Planet .

Above all the model should not wobble so a nice steady base would be a plus.. If anybody wants to actually drop the top piece Ryan should be given that honour.