Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

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psikeyhackr said:
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So Tony can be attacked but Ryan Mackey is sacred. ROFLMAO

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If you have any thing to debunk on what ryan mackey has posted in his 300 page refutation of DRG, feel free to point out what he got wrong.

or if that is too tough, feel free to tell us what he got wrong on this 3 episodes of hardfire going over the physics of 9/11.

What exactly did he get wrong again? You should have a huge list.... I'll wait for it.

Tonys work shows that he is a quack who doesn't understand what he is trying to talk about... Feel free to show us what Ryan Mackey has gotten wrong.

Kind of like you being asked to show us what Mark Roberts has gotten wrong...

still waiting for those lists of errors...
 
R.Mackey said:
To be completely fair, I don't have any sense that Tony is stalling. He needs to do this on a weekend, and that's the hardest time to get reservations at the studio, and that's all.

David Chandler, on the other hand, struck me as quite difficult in the slice of e-mail that I was copied on. But since it appears he's dropped out, that shouldn't matter any more.
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Happy B'day eh?
 
TruthersLie said:
If you have any thing to debunk on what ryan mackey has posted in his 300 page refutation of DRG, feel free to point out what he got wrong.

or if that is too tough, feel free to tell us what he got wrong on this 3 episodes of hardfire going over the physics of 9/11.

What exactly did he get wrong again? You should have a huge list.... I'll wait for it.

Tonys work shows that he is a quack who doesn't understand what he is trying to talk about... Feel free to show us what Ryan Mackey has gotten wrong.

Kind of like you being asked to show us what Mark Roberts has gotten wrong...

still waiting for those lists of errors...
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I saw a youtube video where someone said that Mackey and Wieck we're being dishonest about something to do with planes flying above 500 mph. Sorry, I'm super hazy on the specifics, I didn't really pay attention to it and I was just gonna do a forum search to see if you guys have already debunked the claims.

So I would like to see if there are errors in his paper or on the show too, if you can find any.

About the format, I didn't like how Gravy had to have pretty much everything he said cut off by Gage or Clifton. He had to quickly respond to Gage's points AND answer Clifton's questions.

I still don't like the idea even if they switch off the format. I think just point-counterpoint is best.

During the LC dbags vs. PM that moderator was really good. I wish we could have someone like that though again in that debate it seemed like the PM guys were also only able to play defense and not present anything that the LC dbags had to counter argue.
 
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knife fight colobus said:
I saw a youtube video where someone said that Mackey and Wieck we're being dishonest about something to do with planes flying above 500 mph. Sorry, I'm super hazy on the specifics, I didn't really pay attention to it and I was just gonna do a forum search to see if you guys have already debunked the claims.

So I would like to see if there are errors in his paper or on the show too, if you can find any.

About the format, I didn't like how Gravy had to have pretty much everything he said cut off by Gage or Clifton. He had to quickly respond to Gage's points AND answer Clifton's questions.

I still don't like the idea even if they switch off the format. I think just point-counterpoint is best.

During the LC dbags vs. PM that moderator was really good. I wish we could have someone like that though again in that debate it seemed like the PM guys were also only able to play defense and not present anything that the LC dbags had to counter argue.
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I think Tony ought to be allowed to select the format. He is the invited guest after all and is walking into the lion's den in a lot of senses.
 
knife fight colobus said:
I saw a youtube video where someone said that Mackey and Wieck we're being dishonest about something to do with planes flying above 500 mph. Sorry, I'm super hazy on the specifics, I didn't really pay attention to it and I was just gonna do a forum search to see if you guys have already debunked the claims.

So I would like to see if there are errors in his paper or on the show too, if you can find any.

About the format, I didn't like how Gravy had to have pretty much everything he said cut off by Gage or Clifton. He had to quickly respond to Gage's points AND answer Clifton's questions.

I still don't like the idea even if they switch off the format. I think just point-counterpoint is best.

During the LC dbags vs. PM that moderator was really good. I wish we could have someone like that though again in that debate it seemed like the PM guys were also only able to play defense and not present anything that the LC dbags had to counter argue.
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Hey KFC (sorry, those are your intials :)

The twoof claim goes something like this. A 757/767 can't fly over 500mph in level flight at under 1000 feet.

There is a twoof (I don't know who ... and don't really care) who calls up aerospace engineers and asks them if a 757/767 can fly at that speed. He doesn't tell them he is a truther, nor does he mention 9/11.

I've seen several of his videos, and the funny part is that he gets completely owned by a youtuber named terrymanning.

Here is a great rebuttal video about the "impossible speed" claims by twoofs.
 
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TruthersLie said:
If you have any thing to debunk on what ryan mackey has posted in his 300 page refutation of DRG, feel free to point out what he got wrong.

or if that is too tough, feel free to tell us what he got wrong on this 3 episodes of hardfire going over the physics of 9/11.

What exactly did he get wrong again? You should have a huge list.... I'll wait for it.

Tonys work shows that he is a quack who doesn't understand what he is trying to talk about... Feel free to show us what Ryan Mackey has gotten wrong.

Kind of like you being asked to show us what Mark Roberts has gotten wrong...

still waiting for those lists of errors...
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TruthersLie said:
Hey KFC (sorry, those are your intials :)

The twoof claim goes something like this. A 757/767 can't fly over 500mph in level flight at under 1000 feet.

There is a twoof (I don't know who ... and don't really care) who calls up aerospace engineers and asks them if a 757/767 can fly at that speed. He doesn't tell them he is a truther, nor does he mention 9/11.

I've seen several of his videos, and the funny part is that he gets completely owned by a youtuber named terrymanning.

Here is a great rebuttal video about the "impossible speed" claims by twoofs.
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Don't worry, I'm totally fine with kfc, haha.

Awesome, thanks for the video!

To respond to BS: I agree that the guest should get to choose the format but I think that if they want to have a legit debate he should choose a format that doesn't give one or another the advantage.
 
TruthersLie said:
Hey KFC (sorry, those are your intials :)

The twoof claim goes something like this. A 757/767 can't fly over 500mph in level flight at under 1000 feet.

There is a twoof (I don't know who ... and don't really care) who calls up aerospace engineers and asks them if a 757/767 can fly at that speed. He doesn't tell them he is a truther, nor does he mention 9/11.

I've seen several of his videos, and the funny part is that he gets completely owned by a youtuber named terrymanning.

Here is a great rebuttal video about the "impossible speed" claims by twoofs.
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Check this one out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-9E...D8543597E&index=9&playnext=5&playnext_from=PL
 
 
Wolrab said:
Let me guess. Twenty nine minutes of you tube videos and one minute for Mackey to respond?
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Or Tony S rips the ideas of Mackey apart in two minutes and Mackey whines, whirs, whirls and whisks rest of the show?
 
Heiwa said:
Or Tony S rips the ideas of Mackey apart in two minutes and Mackey whines, whirs, whirls and whisks rest of the show?
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 Or maybe you could make a guest appearance, make the same claim over and over and over again, ignore everything that shows you how completely wrong it is and then start dancing your victory dance as per norm.

See how easy and completely pointless it is to post snide remarks Heiwa?

Try it for a change, post on topic or get out of this thread.
 
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R.Mackey said:
To be completely fair, I don't have any sense that Tony is stalling. He needs to do this on a weekend, and that's the hardest time to get reservations at the studio, and that's all.
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Let me get this straight: Szamboti has the chance to finally present his damning 9/11 conspiracy case on television and on YouTube, and to take on one of the very best 9/11 conspiracy theory debunkers, but he will only do so on a weekend?

That's how strong his convictions are?

Tony? What gives? You never contacted the engineers who worked on the FEMA and NIST reports, as you promised to do. You never brought your "absolute" WTC 7 evidence to a District Attorney, as you promised to do. When I challenged you about that, you said, well, you had a job to attend to, and you'd get around to visiting the DA when you had time. That was two years ago, and you've still done nothing. That's how much you believe in your "evidence." Further, you agreed to debate me about your own work and then fled.

Ryan, I know you're trying to be diplomatic, but Szamboti refused to appear on Hardfire with me, although he said he could show that I was full of BS and although no stipulation was made that the show(s) had to be taped on a weekday. To me, he's the very definition of a coward. That his damning evidence about these horrible crimes now has to wait until a weekend to be presented is utterly laughable. Honestly, can these people try to appear to be any more ridiculous and contemptible? I suggest not holding your breath for this show to happen.
 
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I just report the news, I don't make it.

Like I said before, though, Tony has been pretty accommodating (apart from needing to do it on a weekend). I have no sense that he's backing down or going to pull a David Ray Griffin. Mr. Chandler was difficult and I wouldn't be surprised if he's out for good, but Tony is not throwing up roadblocks.

Oh, I should also add, Tony is not whining about special treatment or extra time or presenting any demands like other Truthers in this thread are proposing. It should be pretty straight up.

ETA: Possible taping day is September 27th. The 20th was offered, but that's a day that I can't make. See, all of us have needs...
 
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R.Mackey said:
I just report the news, I don't make it.

Like I said before, though, Tony has been pretty accommodating (apart from needing to do it on a weekend). I have no sense that he's backing down or going to pull a David Ray Griffin. Mr. Chandler was difficult and I wouldn't be surprised if he's out for good, but Tony is not throwing up roadblocks.

Oh, I should also add, Tony is not whining about special treatment or extra time or presenting any demands like other Truthers in this thread are proposing. It should be pretty straight up.

ETA: Possible taping day is September 27th. The 20th was offered, but that's a day that I can't make. See, all of us have needs...
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Has David Chandler expressed any preference regarding the format ?. I can well imagine that he would appreciate the same format that was used in the Richard Gage/ Gravy debate (above). Most of his arguments are best illustrated with his videoclips. Not being able to show one or two might put him at some disadvantage.
 
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