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Happy Funtime FMOTL Adventure... (HELP REQUIRED)

FreemanMenard said:
So he is the freeloader, but it is YOU who desires performance from him without payment or recompense?

Isn't it you who expects action from him without payment, and does that not make you the freeloader?
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LOL.

ETA : Well, I suppose that'd be the case, save for the fact that the gentleman IS TRYING TO GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.
 
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Stacey Grove said:
Ignore Menard.
In the past he has sold instructions on how to to the A4V scam.:D
He has threatened fee schedules too:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=55543

Mind you he has never offered any evidence of his stuff working.
Probably because it doesn't work.
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Wow, all that because he refused to present an identification to fly? He does realize private companies can refuse service to anyone they want, right?

BTW, what is this "fee schedule" I keep hearing about?
 
Robrob said:
BTW, what is this "fee schedule" I keep hearing about?
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It's a fantasy.
Here's a typical one:

Furthermore, I claim my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgressions by peace officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is FIVE HUNDRED POUNDS STERLING PER HOUR or portion thereof if being questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed or otherwise regulated and FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS STERLING PER HOUR or portion thereof if I am handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process, and FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS STERLING PER INDIVIDUAL reasonably involved if I am ever forced to suffer the effects of what has come to be known as non-lethal weapon such as a Taser, without my express written and Notarised consent.

Furthermore I claim the right to be entirely free to determine my own medication needs at all times and never under any circumstances be forced to ingest or otherwise receive into my body by way of vaccination, electro-magnetic energy, audio or visual energy or any other method any substance or alien energies I choose not to accept.

Furthermore, I therefore claim my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgressions by peace officers, government principles, agents of the justice system, agents of the medical professions, or anyone else, in the event I am forced to undergo any such ingestion forced on me is FIVE MILLION POUNDS STERLING. PER INDIVIDUAL reasonably involved, without my express written and Notarised consent.

Furthermore, I claim the right to use a Notary Public to secure payment of the aforementioned FEE SCHEDULE against any transgressors who by their actions or omissions harm me or my interests, directly or by proxy in any way.
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I'm trying to imagine the scenario under which one would have presented a written and notarized consent prior to being tased.
 
I claim my FEE SCHEDULE for reading any post by any person, natural or otherwise, defending the lore of Freeman on the Land, is ONE MILLION POUND STERLING.

Pay up, Mister Menard.
 
From that thread
He who gives an order is liable for a bill, and that includes the courts. Think I am joking? People who give orders to their fellow man are liable for a bill and when a man was in court and ordered to stand, he asked if that was an order. The bailiff agreed it was and the man then gave him an invoice for $1000. The Bailiff, full of arrogance laughed and showed it to the judge , who did not laugh and asked the Bailiff if he had ordered the man to stand. When the judge found out an order was given, accepted and performed, the bailiff became liable. The man walked out with a cheque from the Bailiff for $1000 and cashed it. This has been verified and recorded.
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Where has this been verified and recorded?
 
FreemanMenard said:
So he is the freeloader, but it is YOU who desires performance from him without payment or recompense?

Isn't it you who expects action from him without payment, and does that not make you the freeloader?
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The freeman "fee schedule" theory as applied in court cases (read:their courtroom antics) and most of their interactions has no basis in custom, history or law.
 
the nearest thing to a mythical "fee schedule" is when a person acts as litigant in person and is paid a set amount by the court for his/her time.
And it certainly isnt $2,500 an hour thats for sure.
 
jargon buster said:
the nearest thing to a mythical "fee schedule" is when a person acts as litigant in person and is paid a set amount by the court for his/her time.
And it certainly isnt $2,500 an hour thats for sure.
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Spot on. Plus the time claimed is subject to analysis by the court as to whether it is reasonable and proportionate or not.

Freeman fee schedules are wrong in 4 main respects:

1. they are applied randomly, not just in relation to litigation costs;
2. when applied outside the litigation realm there is never a binding agreement relating to them;
3. inside the litigation realm the hourly rates are ridiculous and unenforceable;
4. the time claimed does not seem to reflect the time actually spent.

They're just another freeman flight of fancy. Then again some might wish to prefer the Menard line of argument - "oh, I just haven't got round to collecting on it yet." :rolleyes:
 
cocana said:
jargon buster said:
the nearest thing to a mythical "fee schedule" is when a person acts as litigant in person and is paid a set amount by the court for his/her time.
And it certainly isnt $2,500 an hour thats for sure.
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Spot on. Plus the time claimed is subject to analysis by the court as to whether it is reasonable and proportionate or not.
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And they only get costs if they win.
 
ComfySlippers said:
No it hasn't.

Another Menard lie.
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Did you ever notice how the cases that FMOTLs video (at least the ones I have seen) end up with them being ticketed, arrested and eventually fined or jailed. . .or "the camera broke". . . while all the cases which FMOTLs say they won (like Menard’s claim that he backed a cop down in Vancouver) are not recorded?

Curious, eh?

When pressed for proof FMOTLs often repeat up their “due diligence” mantra and admonish the questioner to "do the research" and find the proof of the claim they only asked about. This illusion to supposed superior research abilities is a mindless ploy and allows FMOTL to, in their minds, repay their middle school teachers for pointing out that they were not too bright.

The attitude of denial is so pervasive among freemen that some FMOTLs make the absurd claim that, despite undergoing documented courtroom losses, they really won because the judge raised his voice and thus ”put himself in dishonor”.

In a similar vein Keith Thompson, a self made FMOTL guru claims that cops he has come in contact with him knew of FMOTL secret woo and avoided shaking hands with him since doing so would have put them under his contract. It seems to have not crossed the Keith’s mind that cops don’t needlessly touch the public or put themselves in a position in which a perp has control of one of their hands.

Duh?

Let’s face facts the FMOTLs don’t “win”. They only think they do.
 
...never under any circumstances be forced to ingest or otherwise receive into my body by way of vaccination, electro-magnetic energy, audio or visual energy or any other method any substance or alien energies I choose not to accept.
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I hear you can make a nice hat out of foil to prevent all that. :rolleyes:

Captain_Swoop said:
From that thread

Where has this been verified and recorded?
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I 100% guarantee it hasn't been.
 
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