Hamas warns "informers"

[Virus]

those that were driven out of their houses started a war?

They left because the Arab states started a war.

 

[The Fool]

Do you think that is or is not a legitimate concern?

Do you think it's possible for Switzerland or another country to allow so much immigration that their own culture is overwhelmed?

like letting in too many black people?

 

[DC]

They left because the Arab states started a war.

So?

 

[theprestige]

So?

So life isn't fair. The fact that you live in Switzerland and not the Gaza strip is ample evidence. Indeed, your own well-being is founded upon centuries of people exploiting life's essential unfairness for their own benefit at the expense of those less fortunate.

Switzerland won a few wars, once upon a time. Palestine lost a few. Your good fortune is every bit as much an atrocity as is the misfortune of Palestinian civilians caught in a war not of their choosing (except for those that voted in Hamas, of course; I can't imagine a morally sane world in which they don't have it coming).

 

[Mycroft]

like letting in too many black people?

Let's put the question to you. Do you think it's a legitimate concern that a country might have too much immigration so that the immigrants might overwhelm the culture of the people already there?

 

[DC]

Let's put the question to you. Do you think it's a legitimate concern that a country might have too much immigration so that the immigrants might overwhelm the culture of the people already there?

well from time to time our racist Right wing parties claim that yes. Sofar nothing of the sort happened.

 

[Virus]

You didn't answer the question DC. Is too much immigration a legitimate concern?

 

[DC]

You didn't answer the question DC. Is too much immigration a legitimate concern?

what is too much? Many many people emmigrate to my country and there still is enough space for even more people to come here. I never have seen to much emmigration. I think there is no such thing as to much emmigration.

 

[Mycroft]

You didn't answer the question DC. Is too much immigration a legitimate concern?

He's given an answer and the answer is "no". I can respect that.

Complex issues are going to have divergent points of view, and it would be short-sighted to claim there is only once correct point of view to be had. I personally come from a very large country and it's difficult to imagine immigration heavy enough to overwhelm our culture and traditions, except perhaps regionally, but that's my country. Switzerland has a population of less than eight million, and especially if they give the vote to non-citizens, it's easy to imagine them having enough immigration to change the very nature of their country.

Personally, I'm eager to hear how The Fool answers the question.

 

[DC]

He's given an answer and the answer is "no". I can respect that.

Complex issues are going to have divergent points of view, and it would be short-sighted to claim there is only once correct point of view to be had. I personally come from a very large country and it's difficult to imagine immigration heavy enough to overwhelm our culture and traditions, except perhaps regionally, but that's my country. Switzerland has a population of less than eight million, and especially if they give the vote to non-citizens, it's easy to imagine them having enough immigration to change the very nature of their country.

Personally, I'm eager to hear how The Fool answers the question.

the country has changed, a lot indeed, and some things i dislike. others i like. there has always been migration and there will always be migration.

ETA: and btw, a lot of those "new" citizens know more about Switzerland than the average swiss, they have to pass a difficult test, i just had to survive birth

 

[Pardalis]

Anyone want to go back to the OP?

 

[Peephole]

I'd respond to this if it made sense.

Indeed, there was no logic at all in what you said.

War doesn't justify everything. That's why the concept of war crimes was invented.

Maybe I'm not familiar with Peephole, but I read that as a condemnation of Palestinian terror?

I'm sorry, but that doesn't fit in WildCat's world view. When you're not defending everything the glorious states of Israel and the US do, you're obvious a terrorist supporter.

There is only black and white.

 

[Darth Rotor]

oh and that excuses blockade of goods for the civilian population?

Actually, yes, it does. It's part of war. See the, among other documents, the articles in the UN charter.

War exists regardless of declaration in many cases, and since WW II, in an increasing number of cases.

DC, does a state of belligerency exist between Israel and Hamas? If yes, then various warlike acts can be expected by both parties. I think one does, but maybe one doesn't. It is a rather muddy situation.

Now, if you feel a state of belligerency does not exist between them, and you may have a good argument for that, please describe their political relationship to support that idea.

I am open to your thoughts.

 

[Darth Rotor]

wow...a talking tree. Am I supposed to take threats from talking trees seriously?

Yes, since the silent spring is over ...

 

[Darth Rotor]

Let's put the question to you. Do you think it's a legitimate concern that a country might have too much immigration so that the immigrants might overwhelm the culture of the people already there?

Might want to ask a member of the Iroquois nation, not some old Fool on the internet ...

 

[The Fool]

Let's put the question to you. Do you think it's a legitimate concern that a country might have too much immigration so that the immigrants might overwhelm the culture of the people already there?

Its a common theme among bigots.

 

[Mycroft]

Its a common theme among bigots.

I think it's funny you want to suggest I've lost the "courage in my convictions" while you give feeble non-committal answers like this.

I can see that it can be a theme among bigots, but is it exclusive to bigots? Or can it be a legitimate concern?

C'mon, put yourself out there. The worst that might happen is you will change your mind later, and that's not so terrible, is it?

Darth Rotor brings up the Iroquois...would you call them bigots if at some time over the last 500 years they expressed a concern that there may have been too much European immigration to the Americas?

DC doesn't seem to mind, but what if another Swiss citizen felt that immigrants were changing his country in ways he didn't approve of? Would he be a bigot to think that maybe the solution is to have fewer immigrants?

 

[DC]

Actually, yes, it does. It's part of war. See the, among other documents, the articles in the UN charter.

War exists regardless of declaration in many cases, and since WW II, in an increasing number of cases.

DC, does a state of belligerency exist between Israel and Hamas? If yes, then various warlike acts can be expected by both parties. I think one does, but maybe one doesn't. It is a rather muddy situation.

Now, if you feel a state of belligerency does not exist between them, and you may have a good argument for that, please describe their political relationship to support that idea.

I am open to your thoughts.

just because you think it is lawful doesn't mean i have to agree with it.
i still think it is wrong.

 

[DC]

I think it's funny you want to suggest I've lost the "courage in my convictions" while you give feeble non-committal answers like this.

I can see that it can be a theme among bigots, but is it exclusive to bigots? Or can it be a legitimate concern?

C'mon, put yourself out there. The worst that might happen is you will change your mind later, and that's not so terrible, is it?

Darth Rotor brings up the Iroquois...would you call them bigots if at some time over the last 500 years they expressed a concern that there may have been too much European immigration to the Americas?

DC doesn't seem to mind, but what if another Swiss citizen felt that immigrants were changing his country in ways he didn't approve of? Would he be a bigot to think that maybe the solution is to have fewer immigrants?

yes he would, we have quite a few of these. SVP and worse.

If one would say, we need more detailed criminal history checks on migrants so it will be harder or impossible for people with criminal background to migrate. That isn't bigoted, but mostly those people simply don't want other folks to come here in general. Most often they do generalize and draw them as criminals in general or they just come here to abuse our security nets and if its not that its simply that they take away our workplaces.

If we didn't have the money to or not enough place for all those people coming here, that would be a good reason to say, eeh moment, we are in trouble ourself. But we are one of the richest countries in the world and this is for a great deal also do to people that migrated to Switzerland.
But we tend to concentrate on the bad apples that undoubtedly came into this country also. But the huge majority is an enrichment to our society even thou they maybe don't eat as much Rösti as we do.

 

[The Fool]

I can see that it can be a theme among bigots, but is it exclusive to bigots? Or can it be a legitimate concern?

Its a common theme among bigots. and it is the "they will overwhelm our culture" variation that bigots prefer. They rarely consider the cultural effects of the immigrants of thier own culture as a negative...Its generally a color they are not or a religion they are not....thats what gets to them.