Haiti Earthquake and HAARP

[jmh423]

On April 28, 1997 U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen made the following statement:

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations.It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."



Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.

 

[Thunder]

On April 28, 1997 U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen made the following statement:

"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations.It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."

source?

 

[dtugg]

Why don't you provide an original source for that and then maybe normal people will believe that he actually said it. Otherwise you have nothing.

 

[J-Funk]

Someone posted that quote from Cohen on another site, here's the link:

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674

And the whole quote:

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

So this looks like another example of conspiracy theorists doing quote mining. Cohen wasn't saying anyone actually could "set-off earthquakes", he was talking about false reports of the types of weapons people might be trying to create and the cost in figuring out what's real and what's not. He's giving examples of reports that are likely these types of false claims.

ETA: Sure, he is also warning that people are working on these types of things but he was speculating based on intelligence reports (which are always completely reliable ) about what groups might be trying to do, not what they could do or is even possible to do.

 

[jmh423]

source?

http://www.fas.org/news/usa/1997/04/bmd970429d.htm

Excerpt:

"Alvin Toeffler has written
about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to
devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so
that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and
others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects
that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an
eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off
earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic
waves."


It is interesting to note that the PNAC group also wrote of developing bio-weapons that would target specific genotypes....


Parky, is this an anti-semitic website?

Thanks

 

[jmh423]

Someone posted that quote from Cohen on another site, here's the link:

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674

And the whole quote:



So this looks like another example of conspiracy theorists doing quote mining. Cohen wasn't saying anyone actually could "set-off earthquakes", he was talking about false reports of the types of weapons people might be trying to create and the cost in figuring out what's real and what's not. He's giving examples of reports that are likely these types of false claims.
ETA: Sure, he is also warning that people are working on these types of things but he was speculating based on intelligence reports (which are always completely reliable ) about what groups might be trying to do, not what they could do or is even possible to do.

"So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."

It doesn't sound at all like he "was talking about false reports" to me. However I may not be a true critical thinking skeptic like you debunkers...Are you also a mind reader, or are you just pulling these "likely" scenarios out of the air?

 

[jmh423]

Why to kick the corpse so hard? The PhD's are like a couple of million years from being able to create an earthquake, which the USGS folks in Colorado would attribute to the nature -- no questions asked. So what's there to debunk?

I could understand somewhat where the inspiration could come from, if a series of strong and shallow earthquakes occurring 2.5 miles under the Iranian nuclear reactor caused the Iranians to start anew from the cellar up. But that's not even sci-fi, just utopia.

Or maybe 2.5 miles under Dimona...That would be a good start....Thanks

 

[jmh423]

Why don't you provide an original source for that and then maybe normal people will believe that he actually said it. Otherwise you have nothing.

So do I "have something" now? Or is it time to go to the old, yeah, he said it but who cares, routine? You guys are priceless....Thanks

 

[twinstead]

So do I "have something" now? Or is it time to go to the old, yeah, he said it but who cares, routine? You guys are priceless....Thanks

I must have missed if you believed that the US government caused the earthquake in Haiti. Do you?

 

[jmh423]

I must have missed if you believed that the US government caused the earthquake in Haiti. Do you?

I am not asserting that the US or anyone else "caused the earthquake in Haiti". I was simply pointing out that credible sources have intimated that the technology to create earthquakes quite possibly exists. Perhaps you should read the thread, and specifically my posts, before responding.

Thanks

 

[Thunder]

I am not asserting that the US or anyone else "caused the earthquake in Haiti". I was simply pointing out that credible sources have intimated that the technology to create earthquakes quite possibly exists.

so...what then...are you insinuating?

are you suggesting that it is possible..however unlikely..that this quake was causes by the CIA or the Mossad?

 

[twinstead]

I am not asserting that the US or anyone else "caused the earthquake in Haiti". I was simply pointing out that credible sources have intimated that the technology to create earthquakes quite possibly exists. Perhaps you should read the thread, and specifically my posts, before responding.

Thanks

I read the thread, thanks. I didn't see where you claimed anything, and my post suggested that very thing. It appears all you are doing is trying to instill doubt. The thread is about kooks believing that HAARP caused the earthquake. Personally, I find it ludicrous, but I'm no scientist.

Perhaps you can start a thread in the science forum concerning the possibility that these weapons may exist.

 

[jmh423]

so...what then...are you insinuating?

are you suggesting that it is possible..however unlikely..that this quake was causes by the CIA or the Mossad?

I am suggesting that it is possible that this quake could have been caused by other than natural means. If that is the case, then certainly the CIA, NSA or the Mossad would be some of the prime suspects...I have not found any credible or compelling evidence as of yet, but if I do I'll present it.

Thanks

 

[Thunder]

I have not found any credible or compelling evidence as of yet,

um...so why even entertain the idea? what do you have to gain from doing such a search? what is your agenda for devoting even 30 minutes of your time on such a search?

are you devoting equal time to see if Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, China, or Russia was behind it?

maybe they made the quake so they could then post it all over their news and blame the USA.

 

[carlitos]

I am suggesting that it is possible that this quake could have been caused by other than natural means.

And, as ever, here is a page for you to present EVIDENCE that supports your belief in this 'possibility.'

 

[jmh423]

um...so why even entertain the idea? what do you have to gain from doing such a search? what is your agenda for devoting even 30 minutes of your time on such a search?

are you devoting equal time to see if Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, China, or Russia was behind it?

maybe they made the quake so they could then post it all over their news and blame the USA.

um.....so...What does anyone including you "have to gain" by investigating and posting here? If you come up with any evidence of those aforementioned countries causing the earthquake, post it. I'd be glad to "entertain" the idea. If I do, I'll post it....Thank you for your deep concern regarding my use of time...

 

[jmh423]

And, as ever, here is a page for you to present EVIDENCE that supports your belief in this 'possibility.'

Read the thread before butting in and demanding EVIDENCE that has already been presented....The threshold for "EVIDENCE" of a 'possibility' has been met.

 

[jmh423]

I read the thread, thanks. I didn't see where you claimed anything, and my post suggested that very thing. It appears all you are doing is trying to instill doubt. The thread is about kooks believing that HAARP caused the earthquake. Personally, I find it ludicrous, but I'm no scientist.

Perhaps you can start a thread in the science forum concerning the possibility that these weapons may exist.

Trying to "instill doubt" is one of the main tennants of skepticism...The fact that you feel anyone who believes that HAARP type weapons could cause an earthquake is a "kook", is irrelevant. The fact that you personally find it ludicrous is even less relevant. Perhaps I can just post on this thread if you don't mind... Would that be ok?

Anyway, thanks for your 2 cents worth.

 

[jmh423]

What no one seems to be taking into account is that the country that was attacked, by means, either natural or manmade was HAITI....And the prominant person who allegedly made the accusation that the US was responsible for it was the President of VENEZUELA....

There is a recent history of troubling relationships between both of these two countries and US meddling in their national affairs. If you all will remember, the duly elected President of Haiti, Mr. Aristide was kidnapped by US forces and dumped off in the middle of Africa at gunpoint by US soldiers a little while ago. Then a group of US backed terrorists were installed in his place....Remember that?

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/aristide.htm

Something similar happened to Mr Chavez, and he probably wouldn't be with us anymore except for the immediate people's uprising that demanded he be restored to his rightful elected place. Mr Chavez has alleged that CIA factions were behind the illegal coup....

http://www.counterpunch.org/blum0414.html

The CIA and the Venezuela Coup
Hugo Chavez: A Servant Not Knowing his Place
by William Blum


Perhaps Chavez has been threatened by US entities regarding this earthquake technology in the recent past, and that is why he is asserting that the US, who swarmed Haiti within 48 hours of the quake, is responsible....Who knows??

 

[carlitos]

Read the thread before butting in and demanding EVIDENCE that has already been presented....The threshold for "EVIDENCE" of a 'possibility' has been met.

As always, some people's threshold for 'evidence' is quite low. William Cohen says that someone says that someone is doing something.

So, if a government official says that "Al Qaeda are working on hijacking planes," he's a dirty liar Bush/Cheney stooge, but if he says something you agree with, it is 'evidence' that an earthquake could be man-made? You have a strange illogic about you. I hope that you never teach or serve on a jury.