H.a.a.r.p

[Ikarus]

Yea as i figured (Wiki really only lists 6+ magnitude). At a quick glance (awesome info btw) it still looks like they still grow in numbers over the years.

Untrue on count. There is no trend. Neither in size of the earthquakes, nor multitude.

Correct but im also going on 18 years of studying and tests involved. Surely and i suppose its a big assumption but been a human and as smart as we are, they would have got a lot further in 18 years. Specially if the Romans used the same concept. But this is the reason why i thought of HAARP also, if indeed they had to use giant drills or found another way to go about it by now.

Actually, you're just going on 18 years, with no evidence of studying and tests going on in that period. Sure, we can assume they didn't stare navel all the time. But what we cannot do is assume they did what you claim, without evidence.

The Romans did not use a similar concept... And to go from hydroerosion to radio waves at HAARP is a very very big leap. (OOH BUT THEY BOTH HAVE WAVES! ....No.)

1: Hopefully, however we both know most things by humans are used for good and bad, specially when a government is behind it.
2: Answered above

Angry neighbours sinking eachothers homes by a fraction of a millimeter.... Best I could come up with for evil uses of water injection and only if you happen to live on unstable ground.

HAARP's results may be used for all sorts of EVIL communicating between vessels and aircraft.

3: The funds wouldn't be tied to just 1 thing. They would tied into it all over the place. Money for land, money for clean up, money for keeping it afloat, money for war as well as money for developing and supporting all if not more. It would be quite an investment and disguised as a natural disaster with no hint of it been connected to you. A way to push them out by killing them or a reason to take a deal with no home, no work, nothing left.

I'm not talking about how the investor would conceal his involvement. I'm talking about the ecomical sense of doing this all. It makes none.

Or start a civilization on the moon and fly to mars, maybe even find life and manage to communicate with it!!

You know what you should do? Go all out on a fantasy forum. Seriously.

Click for google

Seriously. Click and go.

 

[Marduk]

Does seem abit odd a field of antennas only doing xxx amount of power output instead of xxxxxx amount.

I found this interesting too

"On the day prior to the earthquake, “on Monday [January 11, 2010], Jean Demay, DISA’s technical manager for the agency’s Transnational Information Sharing Cooperation project, happened to be at the headquarters of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami preparing for a test of the system in a scenario that involved providing relief to Haiti in the wake of a hurricane.”"

emergency groups do those kind of scenarios all the time, can you not understand what a contradiction that would be, you are claiming that a secret government project attacked Haiti using HAARP and at the same time informed D.I.S.A. that they need to provide relief for a hurricane.
Hurricane relief happens every year in the carribean, its not at all unusual, and this in the hurricane season too and Haiti last year was devastated by hurricanes.

so what youre saying doesnt make any sense in the scenatio you are expounding, namely a secret out of the ordinary government attack

 

[Sledge]

Wait, so we can't trust the information released about H.A.A.R.P., but we can trust the information about D.I.S.A.? What's the decision making process involved in determining which information you trust?

 

[rorylee]

it was a naturally occurring earthquake in a region known for naturally occurring earthquakes
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/?regionID=27
thats all.

There are people who obviously think they can prove it and think HAARP, (maybe even EISCAT now that ive heard of it) is responsible for it and quite possibly many more events. However the way your thinking about it, is exactly the way the government / military / CEO's and so on want you to think. /startsarcasm You should apply for a in-house job, they would love you /endsarcasm.

 

[Ikarus]

There are people who obviously think they can prove it and think HAARP, (maybe even EISCAT now that ive heard of it) is responsible for it and quite possibly many more events. However the way your thinking about it, is exactly the way the government / military / CEO's and so on want you to think. You should apply for a in-house job, they would love you.

I'm getting the feeling that these governments, in your mind, have a rather skeptical attitude...

 

[Marduk]

There are people who obviously think they can prove it and think HAARP,

Yup, theyre called conspiracy theorists, they don't have any proof, less evidence and aren't themselves credible
maybe you should read this
http://www.schizophrenia-sanctuary.com/schizophrenia-conspiracy-theory.html

(maybe even EISCAT now that ive heard of it) is responsible for it and quite possibly many more events. However the way your thinking about it, is exactly the way the government / military / CEO's and so on want you to think. /startsarcasm You should apply for a in-house job, they would love you /endsarcasm.

so Eiscat did it now, really narrowing your conspiracy theory there arent you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EISCAT

EISCAT is funded and operated by research institutes and research councils of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Japan, China, the United Kingdom and Germany.

what do Norway, Sweden, Finland, Japan, China, the United Kingdom and Germany have against Haiti ?
remember ten seconds ago you were claiming it was just the U.S. because they didn't like Haiti

so what youre saying is that there is a super secret government project but you have managed to find out all about it from reading readers digest and a conspiracy website and that I despite the fact that I have forgotten more about this subject than you will ever know am actually being hoodwinked by the same super secret governments project of disinformation.

really, dry that out, then go fertilise your lawn with it

 

[Ikarus]

so what youre saying is that there is a super secret government project but you have managed to find out all about it from reading readers digest and a conspiracy website and that I despite the fact that I have forgotten more about this subject than you will ever know am actually being hoodwinked by the same super secret governments project of disinformation.

Alriiiight. Interpunction, please?

You've forgotten more about it than he will ever know?

ETA: http://www.libraryonline.com/default.asp?pID=33
On the use of commas.

 

[Marduk]

Alriiiight. Interpunction, please?

Note my use of the word "and" makes commas superfluous

You've forgotten more about it than he will ever know?

I know something about it, Rory doesnt know anything about it and has no wish to educate himself, do the math

 

[Correa Neto]

That's pretty cool we have such a well versed person here as Correa Neto.

Grande Correa! I would like to know what you have in mind about the claims that the earth-quakes on Haiti were caused by the resonance of the vibrations caused by the HAARP. So not the water injection this time, but could the resonance adds up to trigger the earthquake if it was kind of latent in a given area?

There's a video on youtube with strange claims from a guy named Nick Begich which many people here might already know about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhJfkh0e3l0&feature=PlayList&p=D7379D6B9A48BE4E&index=2

Far from being a reliable source, let´s focus on the claim. Would resonance be responsible for causing an earthquake of that magnitude? It´s true that resonance can look like magic sometimes. It already made people's jaw drops like in the Tacoma Bridge accident (youtube is acting with me atm, so I can´t link the best video on the bridge accident, just type Tacoma Bridge will suffice).

On the above video(Begich's), a suposed researcher explains about the danger of such a high wattage , over 1 billion watts being emmited by HAARP and the dangers it may cause.

In another video of HAARP conspiracy which unfortunately I can't find atm , a person does an experiment with a miniature of a hill with a rock in the imminence of sliding the miniature slope. Then with a device he emmits allegedly the same kind of waves that HAARP does, and then after some time the rock slides down , showing that the microwave emmiting could actually release the rock which had considerable potential energy. He then concludes that it could be used to trigger earthquakes. Sorry I will try to find the video link. In the meantime , if any of you guys ever found this video and can link it here would be awesome.

thanks in advance

Thanks, but... Careful with what you read at the www. Some weeks ago I ate bait, hook and sinker a bogus tale about a statement from Chavez (not the mexican one) about HAARP, USA and the Haiti quake...

Well, moving on the short answer is a "no". ELFs have been studied and used for decades; as a method of geophysical survey (being obscured by better things) and communication with submarines, among other things.

Relatively recently, Russian geoscientists have associated some naturally generated ELFs to seismicity and even proposed to use them as a way to pinpoint possible (and eventually predict) earthquake epicenters.

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/2005RS003441.shtml
http://www.nat-hazards-earth-syst-sci.net/8/1237/2008/nhess-8-1237-2008.pdf

I haven't dug deeply in to their work, I must say (no time). However, the important point is that seismicity may induce ELFs. HAARP CTists, on the other hand, mistakenly claim ELF generated at HAARP creates quakes. They got it ass-backwards!

Note also that the ressonance which induced the bridge collapse was mechanical (wind+oscillating structure) while ELF are of electromagnetic nature. To trigger a quake, one must create a sudden release of stress stored at a locked fault system (if the fault is active, with blocks creeping at its sides, there will be no quakes). You must do that by changing the stress field (orientation/intensity) and/or weaknening the rock and ELFs can't do none of the former. Yes, someone might babble something about HAARP-generated ELFs "exciting" magnetite and hematite crystals as well as quartz, thus creating the quake, but still, it will be nothing but babble.

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Seriously, you folks should stop complaining about HAARP. Its our first line of defense against aliens from outer space and beyond the borders of what we call nature. UFOs can hardly operate here thanks to HAARP's ELFs messing with their systems.
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[W.D.Clinger]

I know, im fairly ignorant about this to be honest, just want to take advantage of looking into these claims in order to learn a bit about how it does really work. So the guy is this wrong? Look at 5:08 in that video, when he is telling "a billion watts". lol

I haven't looked at the video, but I have looked at the HAARP FAQ and at Nick Begich Jr's Earthpulse Press web site. The HAARP FAQ says the power output is 3.6 MW; the Earthpulse Press site says the power output is 3.6 GW, precisely 1000 times greater than 3.6 MW. At least one of those sources is wrong. Which do you trust?

The 3.6 GW figure comes from an article "prepared by Rosalie Bertell, PhD, GNSH". Rosalie Bertell^WP is an 80-year-old advocate of chemtrails hysteria. Octagenarians often get details wrong, even as they remain alert enough to tilt those errors in favor of their argument.

On the other hand, the HAARP FAQ might be out of date, or HAARP might be lying to us, so let's consider the physical evidence. 3.6 MW is a lot of power, enough for a neighborhood or small town. 3.6 GW is an enormous amount of power, almost twice the peak power output of Hoover Dam. More to the point, it is about twice as much electrical power as is generated within the entire state of Alaska. Bertell's 3.6 GW figure for HAARP is therefore not plausible.

Isn´t it low frequency, high wave length? Isn´t 10 mhz considered low? I´m really sorry if again I´m wrong. I´ll get it eventually.

The radio spectrum^WP bands were named some time ago. By convention, "high frequency" is 3 to 30 MHz; "high frequency" is also the "H" in HAARP. Microwaves are ultra high frequency (UHF), super high frequency (SHF), and extremely high frequency (EHF), ranging from 300 MHz to 300 GHz.

 

[rorylee]

Untrue on count. There is no trend. Neither in size of the earthquakes, nor multitude.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_273504b83fd99b1359.jpg[/qimg]

Ahh cool, so on a re-think keep it untraceable.

Actually, you're just going on 18 years, with no evidence of studying and tests going on in that period. Sure, we can assume they didn't stare navel all the time. But what we cannot do is assume they did what you claim, without evidence.

sure, if all these guys in the videos on youtube couldnt find any, how the hell is an everyday Australian citizen going to? Just like Fahrenheit 9/11, Micheal Moore never had enough evidence. But HAARP did start in 1994; 2 years after that little slip-let was printed if that has anything to add.

Angry neighbours sinking eachothers homes by a fraction of a millimeter.... Best I could come up with for evil uses of water injection and only if you happen to live on unstable ground.

nice imagination there.

HAARP's results may be used for all sorts of EVIL communicating between vessels and aircraft.

I found it hard to believe thats all HAARP is used for, specially when it has caused so much interest and i guess 'propaganda' talk about it, we all must be going crazy from drinking to much fluoride water!!

I'm not talking about how the investor would conceal his involvement. I'm talking about the ecomical sense of doing this all. It makes none.

Im not to sure how much HAARP would cost to build and keep running, but im guessing quite alot; does anyone have a figure here for it? and just to keep it running to communicate between vessels and aircraft's? That doesn't make ecomical sense to me with what we already have on hand to communicate with.

You know what you should do? Go all out on a fantasy forum. Seriously.

been there done that, i even watch fantasy movies too!! but are you denying there isnt life outside of earth? oh wait u need evidence mmmm one day maybe we'll get that. Or plans to live on the moon, even other planets? wait dont answer this i already know what you're gonna say.

 

[Nonpareil]

There are people who obviously think they can prove it and think HAARP, (maybe even EISCAT now that ive heard of it) is responsible for it and quite possibly many more events.

There are also people who believe that Sylvia Browne is not a fraud, that David Icke is a prophet, and that vaccines cause cancer.

I found it hard to believe thats all HAARP is used for, specially when it has caused so much interest and i guess 'propaganda' talk about it, we all must be going crazy from drinking to much fluoride water!!

So people coming up with crazy **** = crazy **** is true?

 

[Sledge]

Is there even a point to this? Any information presented to counter his delusions is going be met with "that's what they want you to think" or "you can't trust what you read on the internet." Of course, it'll be more like "thats wot th ey want u too think!!!!" or "u cant turst wha tu rdea on the web," but you get the idea.

Oh, and I use the word "delusions" deliberately. rorylee hasn't presented anything coherent enough to be called a conspiracy theory, just a stream-of-consciousness rambling about whatever conspiracy bilge he last saw on Youtube. I expect we'll run into rorylee's fascinating insight into 9-11 or JFK next.

 

[rorylee]

Yup, theyre called conspiracy theorists, they don't have any proof, less evidence and aren't themselves credible
maybe you should read this
http://www.schizophrenia-sanctuary.com/schizophrenia-conspiracy-theory.html



so Eiscat did it now, really narrowing your conspiracy theory there arent you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EISCAT

what do Norway, Sweden, Finland, Japan, China, the United Kingdom and Germany have against Haiti ?
remember ten seconds ago you were claiming it was just the U.S. because they didn't like Haiti

so what youre saying is that there is a super secret government project but you have managed to find out all about it from reading readers digest and a conspiracy website and that I despite the fact that I have forgotten more about this subject than you will ever know am actually being hoodwinked by the same super secret governments project of disinformation.

really, dry that out, then go fertilise your lawn with it

All you know is what google tells you.

 

[paximperium]

All you know is what google tells you.

And you? So where do you get your "information" from?

 

[Sledge]

And what do you know, rorylee? What are your sources?

ETA: *grumble grumble* Stupid 60 second delay between posts, made it look like I posted the same thing as paximperium after he's posted.

 

[Marduk]

And what do you know, rorylee? What are your sources?

He's already stated that, his three primary sources
1. An unrelated readers digest clipping
2. a conspiracy forum
3. his psychic (not schizophrenic who refused to take his meds) mind powers


clearly with sources like those he obviously has the upper hand

 

[paximperium]

And what do you know, rorylee? What are your sources?

ETA: *grumble grumble* Stupid 60 second delay between posts, made it look like I posted the same thing as paximperium after he's posted.

Don't worry. We can repeat this a thousand times and he will not get it.

 

[rorylee]

There are also people who believe that Sylvia Browne is not a fraud, that David Icke is a prophet, and that vaccines cause cancer.



So people coming up with crazy **** = crazy **** is true?

So Sylvia Browne can really talk to the dead and do psychic things? and cancer wasn't made by god? and prophets never existed? dammit i think i need to go back on my meds!! i mean i need a cone!!! its been to many months! oh that's right, a belief doesn't make you crazy.

 

[Ikarus]

but are you denying there isnt life outside of earth? oh wait u need evidence mmmm one day maybe we'll get that. Or plans to live on the moon, even other planets? wait dont answer this i already know what you're gonna say.

Ah, it seems we got somewhere and so I am pleased. You are not impervious!