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Something else to add to me diary :D

Following the tsunami warning given in Japan -

"Please do not approach the coast at any cost," Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama said in televised comments. "We should not drop our guard. I would like people to take all possible measures" to stay safe.

JAPAN has evacuated more than 320,000 people as a tsunami triggered by Chile's massive earthquake sent waves up to 1.2 metres high barrelling into its long Pacific coastline.
Source - http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...12m-tsunami-wave/story-e6frfkui-1225835413425
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Japan was hit by a earthquake.

The Japan Meteorological Agency gave the strength as 6.9 while the US Geological Survey put it at 7.3.
Japan is often hit by earthquakes. In 1995, a magnitude-7.2 quake in the port city of Kobe killed 6,400 people.

The latest tremor occurred at 0531 on Saturday (2031 GMT on Friday).

BBC News website reader Ivan Brackin, who lives on Yoron Island, said it was the biggest quake he had felt in his 40 years in Japan but there had been no visible effects in his area.
Source - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8540063.stm
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Speculation #1 brings me to think Japan one of the most advanced countries in the world found out something, and was annoyed having to evacuate 320,000* people by a man-made earthquake. In-return made a threat to either strike back (like a Jedi ;P) or go public against the unknown mystery of whoever may be able to control earthquakes, but in return got told to settle down by a sample of the controllers power.

Speculation #2 Japan Themselves may have the technology to do such things and wanted to damage the mining in Chile which i think is mainly owned by RIO TINTO (whether or not it did i do not know, my internet is cap i cant research that much for a week) and the tsunami in Japan was Karma / Natural after affects of a quake that large. The earthquake was retaliation from it.

Speculation #3 Or it was just natural and 'Mother Earth' is pissed off
 
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Oh yeah...

Japan threatens the world with kaiju movies, manga, animes and Toyotas with break problems... That's why USA decided to use its imaginary earthquake weapon against Chile, creating a massive tsunami that would wash Japan away (Hawaii would be colateral damage). Too bad for USA Japan sent Mothra to smash the tsunami by flapping its wings.
 
rorylee said:
Yea i understand, maybe i should have placed the thread under conspiracy theories instead of General Skepticism.

I don't believe HAARP is connected to the idea of pumping water, but the idea was there first, however i did make the topic as HAARP which after thinking how critical everyone is here, i shoulda made it something else.

HAARP was simply something else i was told to look up when i only posted that image on another forum and asked the question 'can earthquakes be mad-made' and i found alot of people thinking the same way as me(not one here obviously) but the facts they have handed out to the public don't add up to what causes a quake or speculation we are told it doesn't, i don't think anyone here would have the power to do/test such things, but still i found it interesting as i was looking for a reason to why i had a thought the earthquakes were man-made lately and not thinking that a couple years ago. They were 2 possibilities i found, rather then none.

Maybe before posting anything about HAARP or the water pumping idea, i should have asked the question 'Can earthquakes be man-made at all' given science wants to explain & control pretty much everything in existences.
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rorylee, thanks for your reply.

If you use a broad definition of earthquake as ground motion due to the propagation of seismic waves, then yes, earthquakes can be caused by human activity. Indeed, one of the roles of the Global Seismographic Network is to monitor compliance of the nuclear test ban treaty by detecting seismic waves caused by nuclear explosions.

If you take 'earthquake' to mean only those events that are caused by the sudden release of tectonic strain, then humans might at best be able to trigger such release only in locations where the strain has already accumulated due to natural tectonic motion. As you indicated, pumping water into fault zones may be one way of doing this. Broadcasting radiowaves into the atmosphere is most certainly not.
 
Correa Neto said:
Oh yeah...

Japan threatens the world with kaiju movies, manga, animes and Toyotas with break problems... That's why USA decided to use its imaginary earthquake weapon against Chile, creating a massive tsunami that would wash Japan away (Hawaii would be colateral damage). Too bad for USA Japan sent Mothra to smash the tsunami by flapping its wings.
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Damn Mothra....

The NWO really needs to rid the world of that pest....Mothra has been screwing up plans for world domination for far too long....
 
Correa Neto said:
Oh yeah...

Japan threatens the world with kaiju movies, manga, animes and Toyotas with break problems... That's why USA decided to use its imaginary earthquake weapon against Chile, creating a massive tsunami that would wash Japan away (Hawaii would be colateral damage). Too bad for USA Japan sent Mothra to smash the tsunami by flapping its wings.
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Speculation #2 for Chile also =]
 
Cosmic Roy said:
rorylee, thanks for your reply.

If you use a broad definition of earthquake as ground motion due to the propagation of seismic waves, then yes, earthquakes can be caused by human activity. Indeed, one of the roles of the Global Seismographic Network is to monitor compliance of the nuclear test ban treaty by detecting seismic waves caused by nuclear explosions.

If you take 'earthquake' to mean only those events that are caused by the sudden release of tectonic strain, then humans might at best be able to trigger such release only in locations where the strain has already accumulated due to natural tectonic motion. As you indicated, pumping water into fault zones may be one way of doing this. Broadcasting radiowaves into the atmosphere is most certainly not.
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Np =] Just a thought you instantly gave me, you mentioned the seismic waves caused by a nuclear explosion can cause a earthquake - hence the treaty. Would there be a way to re-create that seismic wave without a nuclear explosion? - If you can answer that or anyone here - but a treaty was made for the very reason? one of many of course, however they knew about it.

Brings me to think about the recent North Korean attempts and someone mentioned here Iran building one (if related, just mentioning it myself) and why USA was fully against it(Given there is a treaty sure, but if i remember right China & Russian were not that concerned " The United States, Britain, France and Japan drafted a resolution condemning North Korea, which was supported by six more Security Council members, and opposed by Russia, China, Vietnam, Libya and Uganda.") and wanted to declare war just about - Let alone South Korea threatening war if North Korea did one more nuclear test last month with the help of 30thousand* US Soldiers currently in South Korea.
 
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rorylee said:
Np =] Just a thought you instantly gave me, you mentioned the seismic waves caused by a nuclear explosion can cause a earthquake - hence the treaty. Would there be a way to re-create that seismic wave without a nuclear explosion?
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Hmmm, explosions cause a characteristic signal in seismometers. That signal can be distinguished from one caused by, say, a mine collapse or the various types of fault motion by analysing whether the initial 'blips' recorded on the seismographs around the world are up or down. I suppose that an impact on the Earth's surface might have a similar signature to an explosion - as long as the impactor hit the ground perpendicularly, such that the seismic waves propagated isotropically. But even if a non-explosive impact did have the same seismic signature as an explosion, I don't know how the amplitudes would compare. I have to add the disclaimer that I'm no seismologist, and I'm only speculating.

I should also clarify that the seismic waves from a nuclear explosion don't cause an earthquake; the seismic waves are an earthquake.
 
rorylee said:
Np =] Just a thought you instantly gave me, you mentioned the seismic waves caused by a nuclear explosion can cause a earthquake - hence the treaty. Would there be a way to re-create that seismic wave without a nuclear explosion? - If you can answer that or anyone here - but a treaty was made for the very reason? they knew about it.
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The treaty does not allow any nuclear tests,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Nuclear-Test-Ban_Treaty
the shaking that such a test can create can be detected on the usual seismic detectors so they are used to check that members of the treaty arent cheating. Nuclear explosions do not cause Earthquakes, they cause seismic waves,
http://geology.about.com/gi/o.htm?z...ww.seismo.berkeley.edu/seismo/faq/nuke_2.html


;)

Cosmic Roy said:
I have to add the disclaimer that I'm no seismologist, and I'm only speculating.

I should also clarify that the seismic waves from a nuclear explosion don't cause an earthquake; the seismic waves are an earthquake.
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nope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_wave
Seismic waves are waves of force that travel through the Earth or other elastic bodies, for example as a result of an earthquake, explosion, or some other process that imparts forces. Seismic waves are studied by seismologists, and measured by a seismograph, which records the output of a seismometer, or geophone. For seismic studies of oil reservoirs, hydrophones may give additional information.

The propagation velocity of the waves depends on density and elasticity of the medium which is penetrated. The velocities range from approximately 3-8 km/s in the Earth's crust up to 13 km/s in the deep mantle.

Earthquakes create various types of waves with different velocities; when reaching seismic observatories, their different travel time enables the scientists to locate the epicenter.
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in the same way that ripples are caused by a stone thrown into water, they are not the stone. They just indicate where the stone was.
 
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Marduk said:
The treaty does not allow any nuclear tests,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Nuclear-Test-Ban_Treaty
the shaking that such a test can create can be detected on the usual seismic detectors so they are used to check that members of the treaty arent cheating. Nuclear explosions do not cause Earthquakes, they cause seismic waves,
http://geology.about.com/gi/o.htm?z...ww.seismo.berkeley.edu/seismo/faq/nuke_2.html


;)


nope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_wave

in the same way that ripples are caused by a stone thrown into water, they are not the stone. They just indicate where the stone was.
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Fair enough. By the same token, nobody ever really experiences an earthquake; they experience the seismic waves that an earthquake causes in the ground. I appreciate the need for linguistic precision, but in this case I think maybe it's valid to say that, if you experience sudden ground motion - whether caused by an explosion or motion on a fault (or by HAARP!:)) - then you experience an earthquake.

But no, I wasn't very precise in my usage of the term, and I thank you for pointing it out.
 
Lets end this shall we
its clear that Rory doesnt bother to read the links that people make an effort to post him
so heres the big picture Rory
Quake_epicenters_1963-98.png

now heres a question Rory
why can't you clearly see Haiti, Japan or Chile on this map ?

Because they have earthquakes so frequently that the little black dots used to mark epicentres have covered the countries completely


so you were saying, the earthquakes in Chile and Haiti must have been caused by a superweapon ?
:D
thats retarded
see that yet ?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I'm no expert, so I can't judge its accuracy (and I think this has been posted already in this thread), but Skeptoid has a nice episode that sums up the points and addresses them one by one.
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Safe-Keeper, thanks again for bringing that Skeptoid episode to my attention.

rorylee, if you haven't already done so, I strongly recommend that you listen to it when you have a few minutes to spare. It's an easy listen and I think you'll find it illuminating.
 
rorylee said:
I didn't find out about it on the internet, i found out about after having thoughts of it since the quake in Italy last year and then read about the first post-image, then got told about HAARP on another forum.
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Don't you think it's improbable that your musings about such a non-existent technology would be true ?

I mean, why do people "think of it" and then start believing in what they've just essentially made up ?
 
rorylee said:
Iam a form believer in no such thing as coincidences too, everything happens for a reason.
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It depends what you mean by "reason". If you mean that everything happens because of cause-and-effect laws, then sure. If you mean that everything happens because someone made it happen, then NO.

People who say there ARE no coincidences, and mean the latter, create a world for themselves in which the awful random incidences are no longer random. They are controlled, and even controlled by an evil government body makes those incidences more tolerable to them because chaos is non-existent.

But reality doesn't cater to our fears, our wishes or our incredulity.
 
rorylee said:
No sir you just did. Lets test a weapon with these 2 points in mind

# You can inflict massive damage on your enemy's (or economic rival's) infrastructure, costing them a fortune to rebuild.
# You can hit them over and over, just enough to keep them from gaining the upper hand economically or militarily, maintaining the balance of power and avoiding war altogether.
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The problem with conspiracy theories is that people who believe in them have their own version of the laws of physics, sociology or psychology. In their world, people don't act like they do in reality, and they use that fictional world of their as some sort of evidence for something in the real world.
 
This thread is full of crazy talk. Obviously Rory doesn't want anyone challenging his world view. Or maybe he thinks this is all fun and games here. You can fit both with most of his posts.

Well, back to my soylent green...
 
Ikarus said:
Here's a nice new conspiracy for you, rory. There is a group of people, who act out of boredom and ignorance, on the internet, spouting nonsense about the world in order to confuse others. They are sometimes engaged in group networks and have constructed intricate systems of lies, which they expound on unhumanly big and usually rather simplistic ugly websites. They have also infiltrated Youtube, making their nonsense even more accessible to the uneducated, who fall for it like ants on a glass of Coke. These pranksters do not get paid. They are not inhibited by knowledge. They want you to propagate their absurdities. They are after you!
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That is just MEAN!

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