Guiliani Suspended from Practicing Law

Nothing about Giuliani is surprising any more. It wouldn't surprise me that he didn’t pay his attorney's fees since Trump doesn't pay his.

It also wouldn't surprise me that it isn’t a real lawsuit. Not that his attorneys didn’t file a lawsuit, but that it's just another ploy. Performance art for the rubes as well as for the lawyers representing Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss. Why waste your time since you're never going to get paid.
 
acbytesla said:
Nothing about Giuliani is surprising any more. It wouldn't surprise me that he didn’t pay his attorney's fees since Trump doesn't pay his.

It also wouldn't surprise me that it isn’t a real lawsuit. Not that his attorneys didn’t file a lawsuit, but that it's just another ploy. Performance art for the rubes as well as for the lawyers representing Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss. Why waste your time since you're never going to get paid.
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Steve Bannon had the same lawyer, and he didn't pay him either.
 
I am surprised this is a recurring issue. Not that lawyers are mercenaries that will do any dirty job for a paycheck or that freaks that orbit Trump would run out on a bill, but that anyone competent enough to be an attorney would put themselves in a position where these ghouls owe them large sums of money.

These are exactly the kinds of clients that scream "huge upfront cash retainer".
 
slyjoe said:
What happens if he can't get a lawyer to represent him? These are civil cases, so I don't think a public defender is an option.
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I guess he can defend himself with his customary brilliance, eloquence, and dripping of strange liquids from his skull.
 
Should be noted. Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss's attorneys in a court filing today stated that Giuliani "failed to take any of the actions that the judge ordered which included turning over evidence and paying the attorney's fees.
 
How long ago is it since Giuliani practiced law? I have the feeling that he is himself a crappy lawyer, and hence a crappy adviser.
 
steenkh said:
How long ago is it since Giuliani practiced law? I have the feeling that he is himself a crappy lawyer, and hence a crappy adviser.
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I guess that depends on what counts as "practicing law". He's been sued a lot recently. Before that he was involved in various lawsuits attempting to challenge the results of the 2020 election on Trump's behalf, all of which failed to achieve the desired result as far as I can recall.

A podcast I listen to called Serious Trouble seems to think that he's not a good lawyer.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Rudy's lawyer wants to jump the queue before the defamation damages are being awared.
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How does he do that? The trial to specify damages in the defamation case will start on December 11th of this year. It will probably be 6 months at the earliest before there will be a court date for his lawyers. My guess it will be more like a year. And by then, Rudy might be in prison.


BTW, the court ordered yesterday that Rudy pay an additional $104,000 to the $$132,000 already owed to the election workers lawyers.
 
acbytesla said:
How does he do that? The trial to specify damages in the defamation case will start on December 11th of this year. It will probably be 6 months at the earliest before there will be a court date for his lawyers. My guess it will be more like a year. And by then, Rudy might be in prison.


BTW, the court ordered yesterday that Rudy pay an additional $104,000 to the $$132,000 already owed to the election workers lawyers.
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It may as well be a billion trillion dollars, they'll never see a penny IMO. :(
 
At this point, I assume that Rudy refuses to turn over any evidence, risking sanctions and judgements, because his devices are full of kiddie porn and he has no idea how delete it permanently
 
The Don said:
It may as well be a billion trillion dollars, they'll never see a penny IMO. :(
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I feel confident that Rudy has assets such as condos in Florida and New York. He has listed the condo in Manhattan for sale at 6 million dollars. The condo in Florida is valued at around $3 million dollars. My guess is both properties will be seized. And Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss will be first in line.
 
acbytesla said:
I feel confident that Rudy has assets such as condos in Florida and New York. He has listed the condo in Manhattan for sale at 6 million dollars. The condo in Florida is valued at around $3 million dollars. My guess is both properties will be seized. And Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss will be first in line.
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The problem with that is that the "owned" properties may be heavily mortgaged. Their actual net value may be much less. (Something I have learned fro watching the US TV show American GreedWP wherein this is often a final result.)
 
acbytesla said:
I feel confident that Rudy has assets such as condos in Florida and New York. He has listed the condo in Manhattan for sale at 6 million dollars. The condo in Florida is valued at around $3 million dollars. My guess is both properties will be seized. And Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss will be first in line.
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He needs to get a good realtor, Trump the Best Realtors Inc can easily double the price for the condos, hell they can triple them for him with a stroke of a sharpie! Oh they can't do that for his NY property... there's been a mess up with the paperwork....
 
Darat said:
I feel confident that Rudy has assets such as condos in Florida and New York...My guess is both properties will be seized. And Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss will be first in line.
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He needs to get a good realtor, Trump the Best Realtors Inc can easily double the price for the condos, hell they can triple them for him with a stroke of a sharpie! Oh they can't do that for his NY property... there's been a mess up with the paperwork....
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Maybe Rudy can find one of those buyers from Saudi Arabia who's willing to pay "any price" for property.

(Or is that only for properties that have a presidential premium?)
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
The problem with that is that the "owned" properties may be heavily mortgaged. Their actual net value may be much less. (Something I have learned fro watching the US TV show American GreedWP wherein this is often a final result.)
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True. Actual equity is unknown to us. That said, the properties are likely to be seized after the trial.
 
kookbreaker said:
Having been found liable for his vicious attacks on two election workers, Guiliani is now facing the penalty phase of the trial.

So this is the perfect time to double-down, so no remorse and repeat his slander.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial/index.html
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Can this be added to multiply whatever damages are awarded in the current trial, or does it have to happen in a second trial? Or could it be counted as contempt of court? That would be nice because then he could be reduced to poverty and incarcerated, instead of just reduced to poverty twice in a row.
 
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