Guiliani Suspended from Practicing Law

I have to admit to leaning more into Joe Morgue's downer camp where Drumpf is concerned.

Consider the Aileen Cannon situation. A judge with a demonstrated conflict of interest, what with The Turd having appointed her and she already illegally butting into the investigation to his benefit. Yet there she sits, where recusal is clearly warranted. This 'boxes' trial is ripe for mischief.

Then consider The Turd's status as ex POSOTUS, and his age, and that he's white, connected, nominally 'rich, and with a decades thick hide of Teflon.

And there's the worrying possibility that the GQP--maybe the scum itself--will snatch back the White House. I have little faith that the political pendulum will not make its dreadful swing some 18 months from now. The fickle third is as always but an October surprise away from destructive impulse. And third party foolishness is only to the benefit of the Party of Villains.

On balance, I think the worst he'll face is home confinement; hardly a devastating hardship for a slob probably not long for the world by the time the delays and appeals have run their course. Hell, the prick will probably be ten toes up already anyway. Other than the inconvenience and financial cost, the Orange Excrescence will very likely end up skating through his whole miserable existence without any meaningful consequence or impingement. The hundreds of thousands of excess COVID deaths alone cry out for more than this.

I'm bracing myself for the disappointing let-down which at this juncture seems more likely than not.
 
It's posts like this where I feel that the "oh dear how sad nevermind" gif would be my response if it were available.

Will this do?
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This is the problem with old farts being in charge and doing all the damage. By the time society gets around to one of the rare times it actually catches one of them and doesn't let them weasel their way out of any consequences they are all in their late 70s minimum and all we can do is throw them in jail for their adult diaper and senility years.

Agreed. Dude's 79 years old and is more a political operator these days than a lawyer. This is a toothless action.

Hell, he could probably still keep doing his job more or less. You don't need to be a licensed attorney to work at a law firm. Being disbarred limits his ability to make court appearances and officially act as an attorney, but he can still partner up with other non-disgraced lawyers and continue his position as a conduit to people in positions of power. Buttering up rich people and greasing the corrupt machine doesn't require a bar license.
 
Agreed. Dude's 79 years old and is more a political operator these days than a lawyer. This is a toothless action.

Hell, he could probably still keep doing his job more or less. You don't need to be a licensed attorney to work at a law firm. Being disbarred limits his ability to make court appearances and officially act as an attorney, but he can still partner up with other non-disgraced lawyers and continue his position as a conduit to people in positions of power. Buttering up rich people and greasing the corrupt machine doesn't require a bar license.

The one thing he does lose is the ability to claim any attorney-client privilege in the future (I think; IANAL).
 
He may have had a judgement against him in the sexual harassment case but he's appealing the result and hasn't had to pay the damages yet.
110 percent of the judgment has been put in a trust account. This will be paid when Trump’s appeal is rejected. And it will be rejected. Trump has exactly 2 chances on winning his appeal. Slim and none. And slim is headed for the door. He has no grounds for the appeal.

Why am I so certain of this? Because there is no grounds for the appeal. Judge Robert Kaplan bent over backwards to make sure the process was fair. Trump's attorneys hardly presented a defense. They called no witnesses. They basically said "na ah" and that was it.
What's worse for him on this case is how he has approached it and what has happened since the judgment was made. To begin with, there were two cases of defamation. The first which Trump made as President. That case was delayed for the decision on whether that Trump was immune from a civil suit. Trump is no longer being defended by the DOJ on that. And Trump defamed her again multiple times saying exactly what resulted in the earlier judgment. He is being sued again for ten million dollars in the latest suit. Trump could easly find himself paying 10 to 25 million dollars more to Carroll.

He may be indicted in the felony cases but his lifestyle hasn't been affected one jot.

Until he spends time in jail and/or has to pay a real fine out of his own pocket, he continues to avoid repercussions. :mad:

I understand the frustration. But there will be the non-criminal 250 million dollar trial against his business starting in a few months. There are still 3 Grand Juries sitting which are likely to be issuing more indictments.
 
I think it was some old episode of Popehat's "All the President's Lawyers" podcast where he mused about what Giuliani's actual job as a "lawyer" even is these days. Trying to recall and roughly paraphrase, but it's not like this 70+ year old man who's been out of practice and mostly a politician for decades now is doing the leg work of lawyering. They got plenty of hot shot lawyers to do all that crap.

He's basically a concierge for the clients, a reputable (in certain circles) face between the clients and the firm. Like many people hovering around Trump during his presidency, his value is basically in his ability to influence Trump and other powerful people.

So yeah, doubt not having a law license is going to hinder him at all.
 
He's basically a concierge for the clients, a reputable (in certain circles) face between the clients and the firm. Like many people hovering around Trump during his presidency, his value is basically in his ability to influence Trump and other powerful people.
Does he even have that anymore?

I know Trump sometimes dumps on certain allies, only to bring them back into the fold later on. (Witness how Bannon was fired, only to be later given a pardon by Trump.) But I thought Discount Nosferatu was still out the outs with Trump. (Isn't Trump currently withholding payment for legal services?) Plus, given his recent string of embarrassments over the past few years, I can't see too man "powerful people" being influenced by Guilliani.

Remember Gioulliani is currently hawking cheezy appearances on Cameo (not exactly the sign of someone with a very successful career, even if he is just doing public relations work at this point), and even that isn't going well, so I can't see too many clients lining up to give him work on the hopes that he can influence someone actually important.

Oh, and speaking of Cameo, that's not going too well for him:

From: The independent
Rudy Giuliani, the former New York City Mayor and ex-personal lawyer to former President Donald Trump, is facing mockery after appearing in a video on the site Cameo reciting the nursery rhyme I’m A Little Teapot.... Brian Klaas, a professor of global politics at UCL, tweeted: “This video of Rudy Giuliani humiliating himself for a few hundred bucks on Cameo is the culmination of such a profound public debasement. "
 
He may have had a judgement against him in the sexual harassment case but he's appealing the result and hasn't had to pay the damages yet.

He may be indicted in the felony cases but his lifestyle hasn't been affected one jot.

Until he spends time in jail and/or has to pay a real fine out of his own pocket, he continues to avoid repercussions. :mad:

I share in your frustration but it's clouding your view, imo. Just because he hasn't been tried/convicted yet, and I think he will be, does not mean he's not facing repercussions. Even if he never spends a day in jail and only gets some kind of home confinement, his legacy will be that of being the only ex-POTUS who is a convicted felon. He will still go down in history as being a twice-impeached president who incited a riot to stop the democratic process of our elections, who committed conspiracy to obstruct for his own personal benefit, and who was found liable for sexual assault. Those are repercussions.

There were a lot of negative predictions on this forum for a long time about the DOJ, Leticia James, et al dragging their feet and that Trump would never being indicted or convicted of anything. We see now that those predictions were wrong.
I suspect that some of this "nothing's going to a happen to him" view that some members have is a form of emotional self-protection: if I don't expect it, then I won't be as disappointed if it doesn't happen.
 
I share in your frustration but it's clouding your view, imo. Just because he hasn't been tried/convicted yet, and I think he will be, does not mean he's not facing repercussions. Even if he never spends a day in jail and only gets some kind of home confinement, his legacy will be that of being the only ex-POTUS who is a convicted felon. He will still go down in history as being a twice-impeached president who incited a riot to stop the democratic process of our elections, who committed conspiracy to obstruct for his own personal benefit, and who was found liable for sexual assault. Those are repercussions.

IMO yes, and no.

He's still at liberty living his "billionaire lifestyle" (on other folks' money), with one of the two main parties and 25% to 40% of the electorate in his thrall.

He hasn't paid a dime of the settlement for the Samuel assault (and likely never will out of his own pocket) and continues to appeal the verdict - again using other people's money.



There were a lot of negative predictions on this forum for a long time about the DOJ, Leticia James, et al dragging their feet and that Trump would never being indicted or convicted of anything. We see now that those predictions were wrong.
I suspect that some of this "nothing's going to a happen to him" view that some members have is a form of emotional self-protection: if I don't expect it, then I won't be as disappointed if it doesn't happen.

And yet here we are, years later, with President Trump a free man with a huge personal following and the time rapidly approaching when he can get a GOP Administration to drop charges and/or suspend the investigation.

Remember how the claims against Gaetz were going to bring him down and absolutely nothing happened ? Same here.
 
IMO yes, and no.

He's still at liberty living his "billionaire lifestyle" (on other folks' money), with one of the two main parties and 25% to 40% of the electorate in his thrall.

He hasn't paid a dime of the settlement for the Samuel assault (and likely never will out of his own pocket) and continues to appeal the verdict - again using other people's money.





And yet here we are, years later, with President Trump a free man with a huge personal following and the time rapidly approaching when he can get a GOP Administration to drop charges and/or suspend the investigation.

Remember how the claims against Gaetz were going to bring him down and absolutely nothing happened ? Same here.

It seems your definition of 'not facing repercussions' is based on 'he isn't in jail NOW'. My definition is different.
 
It seems your definition of 'not facing repercussions' is based on 'he isn't in jail NOW'. My definition is different.

No, my definition is limited to him being in jail, it's rather broader than that.

For all of his apparent legal woes, his lifestyle isn't constrained one jot. He doesn't appear to be personally out of pocket, his businesses continue to operate and he can behave exactly as he wishes.

Even if found guilty on any or all of the charges, or seems like he will avoid meaningful (to him) punishment firstly by appealing (with other people's money) and then by any punishment being merely a slap on the wrist.
 
I think it was some old episode of Popehat's "All the President's Lawyers" podcast where he mused about what Giuliani's actual job as a "lawyer" even is these days. Trying to recall and roughly paraphrase, but it's not like this 70+ year old man who's been out of practice and mostly a politician for decades now is doing the leg work of lawyering. They got plenty of hot shot lawyers to do all that crap.

He's basically a concierge for the clients, a reputable (in certain circles) face between the clients and the firm. Like many people hovering around Trump during his presidency, his value is basically in his ability to influence Trump and other powerful people.

So yeah, doubt not having a law license is going to hinder him at all.

But losing his ability ti practice to in the country's financial capital and its actual capital are a huge impairment to his reputation, even in the circles he previously moved in. It shows that he has no ability to even throw a veil of imagined legitimacy over his operations.

All he has left to deal with are the people like him with negstive reputation and they either won't pay, can't pay or, like Trump, are both.
 
110 percent of the judgment has been put in a trust account. This will be paid when Trump’s appeal is rejected. And it will be rejected. Trump has exactly 2 chances on winning his appeal. Slim and none. And slim is headed for the door. He has no grounds for the appeal.
Do you have a source or link for that?
 
110 percent of the judgment has been put in a trust account. This will be paid when Trump’s appeal is rejected. And it will be rejected. Trump has exactly 2 chances on winning his appeal. Slim and none. And slim is headed for the door. He has no grounds for the appeal.
Do you have a source or link for that?


Reuters, Trump sets aside money while he appeals E. Jean Carroll's $5 million verdict:

Jonathan Stempel said:
Donald Trump will deposit $5.55 million with a federal court as security while the former U.S. president appeals a jury verdict that he sexually abused and defamed the writer E. Jean Carroll....

U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan, who oversaw the trial, agreed to the deposit proposed by Trump's lawyer Joseph Tacopina, whose law firm has been holding the $5.55 million.

Courts often require 111% of a judgment to be deposited during appeals.

Carroll would collect her $5 million if Trump's appeals, including potentially to the Supreme Court, were unsuccessful. The money set aside plus interest would be returned to Trump if he prevailed.
 

Thanks a lot for that, but i must apologize for my pickiness, which comes less from my neurosis and more from the sliminess of the Orange Excrescence. That article says T. *will* deposit the $$ with a federal court (and that his lawyers currently have it).

That's as of June 23, the date of the article. Any updates? My web search came up with something from June 27 from www.pelham.com but I couldn't stumble on who or what that is, so my trust in that info is low.

I will put nothing past T. to get out of that $5.5M payment.
 
Thanks a lot for that, but i must apologize for my pickiness, which comes less from my neurosis and more from the sliminess of the Orange Excrescence. That article says T. *will* deposit the $$ with a federal court (and that his lawyers currently have it).

That's as of June 23, the date of the article. Any updates? My web search came up with something from June 27 from www.pelham.com but I couldn't stumble on who or what that is, so my trust in that info is low.

I will put nothing past T. to get out of that $5.5M payment.

I understand that. But this is common practice.

A trust account can be held at his attorney. Estate attorneys manage estate funds until they are disbursed to the heirs. Tacopina is an officer of the court and has swore that the money is in his possession. If Trump exhausts his appeals and Tacopina doesn’t release the funds, Tacopina would be guilty of a felony.
 
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