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I don't believe I said it was an indicator of an inside job. I think I was quite neutral in my posts.
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I don't believe I said it was an indicator of an inside job. I think I was quite neutral in my posts.
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Of course there could always be a reasonable explanation for why the beam was cut at a 45 degree angle. Maybe one like this.
A large section of unstable steel frame needs to be cut away as it is in danger of falling over and hampering rescue operations. Welders with oxyacetylene blow torches are called in. A crane is attached to the upper section.
They cut the lower horizontal first and then the two 45 degree diagonals. Finally the back upper section is cut ensuring the upper section falls away from those that were doing the cutting. The crane then lifts the section away from the team cutting the beam.
It's called safety. But hey that's just how I see it.
A large section of unstable steel frame needs to be cut away as it is in danger of falling over and hampering rescue operations. Welders with oxyacetylene blow torches are called in. A crane is attached to the upper section.
They cut the lower horizontal first and then the two 45 degree diagonals. Finally the back upper section is cut ensuring the upper section falls away from those that were doing the cutting. The crane then lifts the section away from the team cutting the beam.
It's called safety. But hey that's just how I see it.
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Have I ever defended someone calling you an idiot? No.
And I said you were implying/inferring it (by saying common sense dictates that a horizontal cut is quicker and easier, you are implying that I have no such common sense....correct?)
TAM
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And actually, I have called out fellow JREFers who make such comments on typos, unless someone is so unreal with the number of such, that something has to be said in order to be able to read their comments.
TAM
Well then, I call truce.
I did not mean to offend you.
Neutral? You do not have an idea that they are telling lies and misleading people. Fraud is the name, and you are neutral! Good job.
So you sit on the side lines unable and not willing to hold anyone to the truth. What is your problem. Are you afraid to tell someone they are liars? Or do you just spread lies and then pretend to be neutral? Which is it?
Why post a woo site of lies when you could tell us it is a woo site of lies? What is the purpose of your post except to spread lies about 9/11 without even thinking about and and then declare neutral?
You have no fact based ideas on 9/11?
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Yeah, neutral. I seen a picture and asked for opinions.
Are you talking about the picture or in general?
The purpose was to discuss a picture I seen today. You are just being confrontational because of our past. Get over yourself.
oh boy, that makes 2 errors for me in one expression...so now I guess i am fair game...lol
TAM
Yes. That is a beam cut with normal oxyacetylene torch some 3 weeks after 911 day. Normal. Tell tale is crude cut, cool ferrous slag content.
Robert
Actually, you are both correct. In the case of the angle cut, it was to aim the upper section to fall in a desired place-location for easier retrieval. Same as putting a 'humbolt cut' in a large fir in the logging industry for aiming a tree to its prepared bed so it doesn't split--same principle.
Robert
It is exactly the same as a demolition cut, to allow the beam to slip sideways rather than rest on the beam below.
You will hear many claims on here that it was cut with welding torches during the cleanup by people who do not know this to be a fact yet will claim it is, but as you see, there doesn't seem to be much cleaning up done yet, and there is no noticeable method of access to the steel beam or a platform for somebody to stand on to cut it.
Additionally, you might want to ask yourself what the urgency was in getting into the rubble pile and cutting this steel beam, when the pile is still smoking and everyone else is standing around looking confused. It's got immediate aftermath written all over it.
You can better judge it's scale and the lack of any preparation of the site in this photo, note the firemen climbing next to the beam, the steel is as thick as his upper arm if not thicker ...
Also judging from the thickness of the beam, it looks to be several inches think, you might ask yourself why somebody with a welding torch would waste time cutting it at that angle when the quickest method would be used in a situation like this - a straight line - I think you have mentioned this.
I worked for several years on and off as a welders mate, and though I am not a welder myself, I can tell you that cutting a steel beam as large as this with an ordinary welding torch would not be as easy or quick a task as you might think, and without assistance the cut would not be uniform. I've seen people clean up things by cutting with welding torches and the result is normally quite a jagged cut unless care is taken to produce a straight line - again, no need for that in this situation.
There were several other cuts like this found, these are mentioned in an excellent documentary - 911 Mysteries. Included in that I think, is an excerpt from a TV program where a demolition expert explains why cut's like this are made. I would imagine that everyone in this thread so far is well aware of all this, and could at least concede that it looks like what it looks like.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
In addition, do you consider yourself a skeptical person? I know I do, yet I find on here that it is claimed this is not the case. There seems to be some kind of secret exam that you must pass first, after which you don't have to be skeptical about anything anymore, all you need to do is sit back and take delight in making fun of people who think they are. Odd don't you think?
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BWHAHAHAHA! You called yourself neutral them BOOM. Just like in the Income Tax thread. You didn't look at the page I sent you. You have made up your mind, much like you and your sock on the tax thread. Buhbye!
So I suppose there is no way it was cut to expediate a rescue effort than...simply, scooby, this is your smoking gun of CD, am I correct?
TAM
I've got to say it, but I really don't think you've been correct once in your assumptions, though true, it is smoking.
And being absolutely objective, you are a pathological liar.
To end this silliness, please call FDNY at:
(718)-999-2845/1234
or email: smithma@fdny.nyc.gov
Melissa will send you to First Responders who will verify the many accurate responses so posted by many here in this thread, concerning that photo and many like it posted all over the net.
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I am sure you have likely made Mellisa an involuntary "USG Shill" by mentioning her name to the 9/11 truthers like that...such a shame.
TAM
hahahahahahaha.........good one TAM
Well, of course. I know many at FDNY and if it is demo or anything else related about 911, pick up the phone and get the data. No fuss no muss and no conspiracy horse doodoo. Logical. Great response, again, TAM.
Robert
Do you know who took the photo, and what date it was taken on?