Grizzly Man

[ponderingturtle]

For another movie about a nutbar and his obsession with bears, check out Project Grizzly.

That guy was seriously obsessed. Great movie, and it even inspired an episode of The Simpsons.

But he would be unlikely to be eaten. He also won an ignoble prize for his work.

 

[LTC8K6]

Steve Irwin would look about, as if there were crocs about, every meter.

There aren't.....?

I thought it was Pitfall all day long. I'm utterly crushed that I can't play the game for real.

 

[Huntster]

Steve Irwin would look about, as if there were crocs about, every meter.

There aren't.....?

Nope.

Not where you're at.

 

[LTC8K6]

Not where you're at.

Which I obviously didn't mean.....

 

[LTC8K6]

Now that you mentioned it, we do have trees, holes, and logs we can roll. I'm having trouble with vines to swing from, though. Maybe in the Great Dismal Swamp?

 

[Starthinker]

I just saw this on the Discovery Channel yesterday. After they did a half hour of interviews with his friends and such and they all agree the rant against the park service should have been left out. While watching that I got the strongest feeling that they knew this was more the real man than the the love-and-caring man that they wanted to show.

He was seriously deluded if nothing else.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I just saw this on the Discovery Channel yesterday. After they did a half hour of interviews with his friends and such and they all agree the rant against the park service should have been left out. While watching that I got the strongest feeling that they knew this was more the real man than the the love-and-caring man that they wanted to show.

He was seriously deluded if nothing else.

I am not suprised, the movie is not all that favorable in its opinion of him and if he had not died the dirrector of the movie has stated that he would have attacked his position even more strongly.

He was their friend, they do not want it to be critical of him.

He shared many peoples delusions about nature and how it works, it would have been interesting if this could have actualy compeated with march of the penguins for best documentary, but it got excluded from the options to vote on. Two different ideas about what nature is competeing dirrectly.

 

[mommyrex]

One comment was about how many people had a morbid fascination with wanting to hear the tape. I admit some curiosity myself, but then I absolutely refused to look at anything regarding the beheading of Nicholas Berg. But that was human to human -- I refuse to let those human vermin into my head. This was just nature taking its course.

Not trying to pick a fight, but this attitude interests me. You imply that humans killing humans is not "just nature taking its course." Is the distinction that humans don't (usually) eat other humans they've killed? I'm curious about your thinking, here.

 

[Jas]

If only bears ate all the crazies

 

[ponderingturtle]

If only bears ate all the crazies

Hmm, how do we encourage more crazies to play with 1000 lbs predators....

I know, suggest Shark thearapy as a treatment for cancer?

 

[alfaniner]

No, just tell them that bears can talk to the dead.

 

[Jas]

I know, suggest Shark thearapy as a treatment for cancer?

Well, maybe if the buggers had to harvest the cartilege themselves, they might think twice.

 

[calebprime]

Grr. can't seem to quote the quote:


"One comment was about how many people had a morbid fascination with wanting to hear the tape. I admit some curiosity myself, but then I absolutely refused to look at anything regarding the beheading of Nicholas Berg. But that was human to human -- I refuse to let those human vermin into my head. This was just nature taking its course."

Not trying to pick a fight, but this attitude interests me. You imply that humans killing humans is not "just nature taking its course." Is the distinction that humans don't (usually) eat other humans they've killed? I'm curious about your thinking, here.

not to put words into someone else's mouth, but I can imagine the thinking goes something like this:

-Berg beheading is terrorist theater which can only be effective if people watch it. Watching it to some small degree encourages more violence.

-We (as opposed to bears) do not live in a state of nature. We have the capacity to choose behavior other than eating each other OR killing each other--although we don't always live up that capacity. If we opt for violence, this is morally wrong in a way that bear behavior couldn't be.

-Bears are just too dumb, big and hungry to pay attention to human morality. In any case, watching a bear eat a human wouldn't encourage more of the same behavior.

This is just common sense--the reason I'm not a philosopher. Can you explain why there's something intriguing about this that caught your attention?

 

[Legalduck]

If only bears ate all the crazies

Anyway to convince the rapture ready nuts that a grizzly bear is Jesus? no... that a bad idea. I'd hate to have to put the bear down after it ate a few zealots.

 

[alfaniner]

calebprime said it better than I could, but that's about the gist of it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Well, maybe if the buggers had to harvest the cartilege themselves, they might think twice.

No it is about comuning with the purity of the shark.

 

[Huntster]

I am not suprised, the movie is not all that favorable in its opinion of him and if he had not died the dirrector of the movie has stated that he would have attacked his position even more strongly.......

I don't believe that.

Had Treadwell not died, we'd be treated with more of his "saving the bears from poachers" BS, delivered by the Discovery and National Geographic channels, and we never would have been told he was pulling this charade in a National Park and discouraged by park officials.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I don't believe that.

Had Treadwell not died, we'd be treated with more of his "saving the bears from poachers" BS, delivered by the Discovery and National Geographic channels, and we never would have been told he was pulling this charade in a National Park and discouraged by park officials.

Ah so we shouldn't believe what the dirrector said? It was in an NPR interview, I am not exactly sure what program it was on though.

If he had not died that dirrector would never have been able to make the movie as Timothy would not have let someone else have his footage. But that does not mean that if Werner Herzog had the chance he would not have made an even less flattering documentary of him

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
I don't believe that.

Had Treadwell not died, we'd be treated with more of his "saving the bears from poachers" BS, delivered by the Discovery and National Geographic channels, and we never would have been told he was pulling this charade in a National Park and discouraged by park officials.

Ah so we shouldn't believe what the dirrector said?

You're certainly free to believe him. And I'm free not to.

I don't believe him.

There's also the consideration of whether or not, had Herzog made such a film before Treadwell's death, such a film would make it to your TV screen.

If he had not died that dirrector would never have been able to make the movie as Timothy would not have let someone else have his footage.

How did Herzog get it after Treadwell's death? Those films were Treadwell's private property, and his heirs owned it.

Do you think Treadwell's heirs wanted such film broadcast around the world?

This situation has all the classic signs of propaganda before Treadwell's death, and profiteering afterwards.

 

[Dragonrock]

Hunster, do you wait and see what the opinions of the majority of the board are then simply regurgitate whatever you can in opposition to the larger population?