Grizzly Man

Dancing David said:
Very sad that he dragged down his girl friend with him, sure appears to be untreated bipolar disorder.

Very disturbing, reminds me of crisis work and how delicate the human condition is.

The really telling stuff starts when he gets upset over the fox steals his hat, the crescendo is reached when he is ranting about the drought and then the coda when he thinks he is going to spend the winter without supplies.
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How about when he tries to stack the rocks in the stream to build a salmon run in order to feed the bears, and then two scenes later he's ranting about the evil of man's encroachment into the natural habitat of the bears. A few scenes after that he's insisting that a certain bear, "...would be lost without me."

Thirteen years with the bears and Timothy Treadwell seems to have completely missed this most obvious FACT about bears:

Human love is to bear, as fish is to bicycle.
 
Psiload said:
Delusional and pathologically self-absorbed animal lover realizes his life's dream of becoming "one with the bears" after he travels through the digestive tract of one.
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That's the nicest one-line description of a movie I've seen since a newspaper ran this one about The Wizard of Oz: "A young woman is transported to a magical land where she kills the first person she meets, then teams up with three strangers and goes off to kill again."
 
Didn't they destroy the recording? I thought that was in the movie. Haven't had a chance to see it, just heard a piece about it.
 
ChristineR said:
Didn't they destroy the recording? I thought that was in the movie. Haven't had a chance to see it, just heard a piece about it.
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In the movie, Herzog was listening to the recording through an earphone. We don't get to hear any of it.

After he listens for a while, he tells the woman (sorry, don't know her name) that she should destroy the tape because no one should ever hear it again.
 
JohnboyMN said:
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After he listens for a while, he tells the woman (sorry, don't know her name) that she should destroy the tape because no one should ever hear it again.
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That disturbs me. I can understand keeping it under wraps out of respect for family/friends, but the arrogance to presume to know what is right for others to hear, or not, bothers me.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
That disturbs me. I can understand keeping it under wraps out of respect for family/friends, but the arrogance to presume to know what is right for others to hear, or not, bothers me.
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If there was an audio recording of someone I cared deeply about getting killed in a very unpleasent way, and I watched Hertzog listen to it with the same reactions he had in the film, and then he told me I should destroy it... I just do not see any arrogance in that at all. I would be glad for someone else to listen to it to let me know how awful it is.
 
atari24 said:
If there was an audio recording of someone I cared deeply about getting killed in a very unpleasent way, and I watched Hertzog listen to it with the same reactions he had in the film, and then he told me I should destroy it... I just do not see any arrogance in that at all. I would be glad for someone else to listen to it to let me know how awful it is.
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That would be Hertzog telling the family/friends, "You don't want to listen to this." Makes sense. The way it was worded though it made it sound like Hertzog felt no one should be able to listen to it, ever.
 
I think that is what Hertzog said. He said she should destroy it because it will be like the elephant in her living room. He seems to say this for her own well being. There's plenty of other graphic, disturbing sounds and images out there for all the other people in the world who enjoy such things.
 
atari24 said:
I think that is what Hertzog said. He said she should destroy it because it will be like the elephant in her living room. He seems to say this for her own well being. There's plenty of other graphic, disturbing sounds and images out there for all the other people in the world who enjoy such things.
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From a "making the monkey stop shrieking" standpoint I can understand this. My thinking of keeping it available in some form or another would be for forensic experts, animal behaviorist, etc. There would be some value to the tape, if nothing else to stand as chilling reminder of the utter neutrality of nature.
 
HighRiser said:
I wonder if either or both of them are eligible for the Darwin Award? Seems a fitting rememberance.
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That's my thinking too. I think this happend a few years ago didn't it? If not I nominate them!
Who's worse? An Idiot? or the Idiot that follow's an Idiot?

All opinions aside, it is a tragedy and I feel bad that I joke about it.

Then again, no I don't. :D
 
It was like watching a car accident. I didn't want to watch it. I really didn't. I was flipping through the channels and happened to catch a few seconds of it. Next thing I knew I had seen the whole thing.

Disturbing.

LLH
 
I'm surprised he didn't get a Darwin Award. The guy was known for years before his death as a complete nutter who was going to get himself and others killed.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/03...f=pd_bbs_1/002-6581035-1853651?_encoding=UTF8

CHeck out the first review. I remember him being roundly criticized for this book (one of my biology profs had worked as a bear biologist). I don't think anyone was surprised that this happened, including the first reviewer. I would say she qualifies for the million, but it was inevitable.
 
I want to take a little issue with the "luck" statements above.

Lets say 100 participants of this forum each went and THWAPED a female grizzly in the nose (with her cub there even) the way Treadwell did

(Dont worry the irony of "protecting bears" by thwaping them on the nose is not lost on me)

If FIVE people came out of it without being mauled, I might call that luck

If ten people came out without getting perforated, I'd call it AMAZING coincidence

If fifty people came out still boweled, I'd say praise ja-he-sus, howleylooyah!

Luck played a minor role in any of this, I mean the guy did this crap constantly! How did he accomplish these stupendous feats? Did moohammud cause Djins to make magical shields around Tim ?

Not even

As far as I can tell, he what bushmen in the area call "going cowboy". I didnt know about this except for some brief clip on the discovery channel about a seismologist who had to work near polar bears a lot. But just recently my parents were running the education dept at the Eagle River nature center in Alaska and I heard the "going cowboy" thing again.

Apparently, its a way of behaving that *from a distance* is what the bears can interpret as other bears or something. Whatever it is, it can keep the bears from charging. A few extra brave souls would take money from tourists to actually go up and touch a bear.

I was pretty skeptical about this, since bears arent really social animals, so what behaviour could they naturally have that would allow touching like that? But my mom said they do get somewhat crowded when a bunch of bears are at a salmon run. Still....

But I have seen my mom's pics

I guess from all that verbal flatulence, it wasnt luck that kept that misguided egomaniac alive. My mom says, if the bear was hungry enough or tough enough to eat another bear ( happens all the time), thats likely what happened to Timmy. Same as behaving like a human wont stop you from getting stomped by a bully I guess.

As for the girl? She got what she wanted, really. Lets see " I think I'll go run around with an egomaniac who yells at bears in a flamboyantly gay voice. WHile he taunts them I'll hang. "

You wouldnt catch me out there without an AK-47 or something.
 
Here is an amusing review of the film by Joe Rogan.

Well, this guy had some friends, and they were just perfect. Right out of a f*cking Cohen brothers script. You couldn’t write something better than these people. They just fit in like magic.

His ex-“girlfriend” was one of my favorites. I use the word “girlfriend” in quotes because one of the things about the “grizzly man,” was that he was as gay as a room full of dicks. He has this one hysterical rant in the movie where he’s walking along, asking the camera why he doesn’t do so well with the ladies.

Oh, I don’t know… maybe the fact that you live in the f*cking wilderness with giant scary monsters? Chicks usually aren’t into that. That, and maybe the whole gay thing. Generally, I think those are two things chicks like to avoid.

I mean think about it, ladies, if one of your friends called you up and said, “Hey, I want to set you up with this guy, he’s gay, and he lives in the woods with scary monsters.”

You would have to start questioning whether or not that person is really your friend, wouldn’t you?
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I saw most of this I guess the other night on the Discovery Channel. Was anyone else incredibly annoyed that there were commercials every 5 minutes? It was driving me nuts! I guess i need to go rent it and see it from start to finish so I don't have to yell at the TV and Discovery Channel for their poor editing job. I should have kept count of the number of commercial interuptions.

Anyway, I was amused to hear that his fall into lunacy may have been triggered by the fact that, in his early acting days, he lost the role on Cheers to Woody Harrelson. How bizarre... Like I said, I haven't seen the movie in its entirety, so I suppose I don't know the whole story.
 
deanerk said:
I saw most of this I guess the other night on the Discovery Channel. Was anyone else incredibly annoyed that there were commercials every 5 minutes? It was driving me nuts! I guess i need to go rent it and see it from start to finish so I don't have to yell at the TV and Discovery Channel for their poor editing job. I should have kept count of the number of commercial interuptions.

Anyway, I was amused to hear that his fall into lunacy may have been triggered by the fact that, in his early acting days, he lost the role on Cheers to Woody Harrelson. How bizarre... Like I said, I haven't seen the movie in its entirety, so I suppose I don't know the whole story.
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Ya gotta love DVR...

I was mesmerized by by the antics of that looney toon Treadwell, and it would have been sheer torture to have the constant commercials interrupting that carnival of human oddities. Even FFing throught the ads, it still took me two hours to watch it, and when it ended, I swear I wish it would've gone on for another two hours.

As far as the 'Woody form Cheers' claim...

yeah, I buy that about as much as I believe his tales about protecting the bears from "gangs of poachers with machine guns."

This was obviously a man who made frequent trips across the fantasy/reality border.
 
Who knows how many times he touched a bear's nose and got run off, or almost got eaten? Or, how many times he couldn't get near a bear because it wouldn't allow him to? Those parts could have been edited out or never filmed in the first place.

This guy was not going to show anything like that if it happened.
 
Jas said:
I'm surprised he didn't get a Darwin Award. The guy was known for years before his death as a complete nutter who was going to get himself and others killed.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/03...f=pd_bbs_1/002-6581035-1853651?_encoding=UTF8

CHeck out the first review. I remember him being roundly criticized for this book (one of my biology profs had worked as a bear biologist). I don't think anyone was surprised that this happened, including the first reviewer. I would say she qualifies for the million, but it was inevitable.
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Look at the 4-star review from "Ms. Starfire". It includes this ironic gem (bolding mine):

It is hard to believe that one might become so consumed by these beautiful but ferocious bears.
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For another movie about a nutbar and his obsession with bears, check out Project Grizzly.

That guy was seriously obsessed. Great movie, and it even inspired an episode of The Simpsons.
 
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