Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

[Skeptic Ginger]

It is horrendous her parents have piled all these labels on her 'autistic' etc.etc., as though having a moral conscience means you are 'high functioning aspergers' or whatever.

Whatever she is, she is perfectly normal and not special as claimed by her parents just because they have had her labelled her as some kind of freak.

Pushy parents: ugh, gimme a break.

That's quite the imagination you have there.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I tried to point you to her mother's book - turns out it exists in print only in the original Swedish and in German. amazon.com has a Kindle version in Dutch and a site for an English version which will come out in October. If you google "greta mother book" you'll find some reviews. The very extensive German review I read came to similar conclusions as the Danish review summarized here.

[...] Jalving told BT that, instead of addressing why both her daughters are so ill, Ernman focused on making Greta Thunberg a star. Consider that “Greta’s diagnoses are about never having roots in her childhood. They have been moving around like a family of jugglers. It’s a very celebrated life on the surface, but the daughters have been dragged along,” he tells BT. Of Greta Thunberg, he opines, “I think ‘poor girl.’ She would like to be an adult, but has not been allowed to be a child. Her childhood is gone, and now she is a kind of grown-up child.” Mother Ernman’s career has ended, he stated, “which is why she has kidnapped her eldest daughter and is using her skills.”

Jalving praised Thunberg’s efforts to “save” the environment, Sputnik reports, but argued that she is part of a “devilish covenant” with her mother. “The family is in deep crisis ... the book should have never been published, but instead one should have tried to help the family. The book is a cry for help,” he concluded.

 

[Olmstead]

OK here's one at random:



Selective mutism, asperger's and OCD:



Do you think a 12-year-old has gone to get herself diagnosed? No, it's her pushy parents looking for a trendy label.



Her parents helped her channel her passions.

So, not a random shelf-filler's daughter from Warrington (they of course have no fancy diagnoses attached to them) but the daughter of pushy parents who got a camera crew to film her 'making her own way to Poland' and sitting in the lobby with a placard 'all by herself' (apart from the film crew).

And now she is an international star, written her own book (because, of course, the parents wish to imply she is a 'genius' [asperger's, you know?]) and nominated Malala-style for a Nobel Peace Prize.

I have known about climate change for years. It is incorrect to say 'adults do not care' as I did carbon footprints for a business case study when Greta was in kindergarten. One such business was a 'green' Tesco supermarket.

Greta is super but let's face it, has her svengali-style parents managing her 'career'.

You're absolutely right. Unless a teenage campaigner's parents are completely apathetic about climate change, I won't give them the time of day. Wait, no, in that case it's just teenage rebellion. Unless a teenage campaigner is an orphan brought up in a multicultural environment in which they were exposed to a multitude of views and funded their campaigning without any outside help, I won't give them the time of day.

There, I think I'm safe now.

 

[Arcade22]

larouchepub

Sputnik

Do you have a more credible source than insane the LaRouche movement, which even directly quotes the Russian propaganda and disinformation outlet Sputnik?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Do you have a more credible source than insane the LaRouche movement, which even directly quotes the Russian propaganda and disinformation outlet Sputnik?

I laid that trap deliberately for you, buddy, Was up in the search results.

It doesn't matter one bit who summarizes the review of a journalist who came to simiilar conclusions like the one who wrote the extensive review I read (also, like the Danish one, being very sympathetic to Greta's cause).

But you knew that. But couldn't help yourself. Really on a roll, aren't we?

 

[ThatGuy11200]

OK here's one at random:



Selective mutism, asperger's and OCD:



Do you think a 12-year-old has gone to get herself diagnosed? No, it's her pushy parents looking for a trendy label.



Her parents helped her channel her passions.

So, not a random shelf-filler's daughter from Warrington (they of course have no fancy diagnoses attached to them) but the daughter of pushy parents who got a camera crew to film her 'making her own way to Poland' and sitting in the lobby with a placard 'all by herself' (apart from the film crew).

And now she is an international star, written her own book (because, of course, the parents wish to imply she is a 'genius' [asperger's, you know?]) and nominated Malala-style for a Nobel Peace Prize.

I have known about climate change for years. It is incorrect to say 'adults do not care' as I did carbon footprints for a business case study when Greta was in kindergarten. One such business was a 'green' Tesco supermarket.

Greta is super but let's face it, has her svengali-style parents managing her 'career'.

“I overthink. Some people can just let things go, but I can’t, especially if there’s something that worries me or makes me sad," Greta said in an interview with The Guardian.

She's not the only one, apparently.

If her parents are 'managing her career' then they are doing a fine job of it. They should continue encouraging her to make a name for herself and fight for what she thinks is right. I wish more parents were like.

 

[catsmate]

It is horrendous her parents have piled all these labels on her 'autistic' etc.etc., as though having a moral conscience means you are 'high functioning aspergers' or whatever.

What in the ******* are you ranting about? Why are you claiming, with no evidence, that "her parents have piled all these labels on her" including her autism diagnosis?

Whatever she is, she is perfectly normal and not special as claimed by her parents just because they have had her labelled her as some kind of freak.

Pushy parents: ugh, gimme a break.

 

[3point14]

I laid that trap deliberately for you, buddy,

Sure you did...

 

[catsmate]

I think you misunderstand theprestige here. You see, he isn't talking about climate change or anything in this thread, he's decided to pick up the Cloak of Self-Martyrdom last worn proudly by that insufferable prat, TBD, and decided to twirl about in front of the mirror to see how he looks in it.

Ah, thanks. I wouldn't know having killfiled both of them long ago.

 

[Arcade22]

I laid that trap deliberately for you, buddy, Was up in the search results.

It doesn't matter one bit who summarizes the review of a journalist who came to simiilar conclusions like the one who wrote the extensive review I read (also, like the Danish one, being very sympathetic to Greta's cause).

But you knew that. But couldn't help yourself. Really on a roll, aren't we?

Whatever you say, Ivan. You're not fooling anyone.

 

[catsmate]

OK here's one at random:

Doesn't support your assertions in any way.

Selective mutism, asperger's and OCD:

Yes and?

Do you think a 12-year-old has gone to get herself diagnosed?
Quite possibly, I've heard of cases. Children aren't idiots you know.

Most likely parents, family, school et cetera. Possibly general screening in school.

No, it's her pushy parents looking for a trendy label.

I'm waiting for your evidence of this claim...

Her parents helped her channel her passions.

Good. Supportive parents are a help to children.

So, not a random shelf-filler's daughter from Warrington (they of course have no fancy diagnoses attached to them) but the daughter of pushy parents who got a camera crew to film her 'making her own way to Poland' and sitting in the lobby with a placard 'all by herself' (apart from the film crew).

Support for this claim?

And now she is an international star, written her own book (because, of course, the parents wish to imply she is a 'genius' [asperger's, you know?]) and nominated Malala-style for a Nobel Peace Prize.

More random drivel.

I have known about climate change for years. It is incorrect to say 'adults do not care' as I did carbon footprints for a business case study when Greta was in kindergarten. One such business was a 'green' Tesco supermarket.

So?

Greta is super but let's face it, has her svengali-style parents managing her 'career'.

Evidence?

 

[catsmate]

You weren't conned, you just weren't paying attention to this activist over the last year or so.

She's been in the news since she started a strike at her school in Sweden. It grew over time, more teens got involved. The climate change conference you are so annoyed she was a star speaker at came after months of her campaigning. And no wonder her parents are there, d'uh, she's 16, helloo, traveling to another country.

Hey now, we did a school trip to the old USSR when we were 14.

 

[catsmate]

Do you have a more credible source than insane the LaRouche movement, which even directly quotes the Russian propaganda and disinformation outlet Sputnik?

Has he ever?

I laid that trap deliberately for you, buddy, Was up in the search results.

And yet your quote only comes up from the nutjob and Putin propaganda sites.
Fail.

 

[Francesca R]

And now she is [ . . . ] nominated Malala-style for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Are you claiming that her parents bribed the nominators or what?

(I don't actually think it's a great idea for nominators to go public since this almost undoubtedly increases the amount of protection Miss Thunberg needs.)

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That's nice to know.

Now about climate change problems?

I don't see any evidence pushy parents are behind Greta anyway. She doesn't sound like she's reading any kind of a prepared speech.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Remember that a lot of these same people calling Thunberg a freak, apparently take umbrage at any suggestion that Trump's got highly abnormal behaviour that suggests he needs a medical checkup.

Good point.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...
She's special alright. Special enough to be targeted by right wing hatred around the globe. That's because of what she's saying and what she represents. ...

I do believe this has become a prominent issue. Anyone who is successful promoting anything Progressive must be neutralized via the right-wing echo chamber.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Because people aren't listening.

Because the civilised world is literally in peril and we do nothing because it will cost rich people money.

Because George Bush changed the debate from 'Global Warming' to 'Climate change' because it sounds less scary. It should be scary.

Because low lying islands are already being evacuated.

Because we are not doing enough.

Anyone that speaks truth regarding this and can get people to listen and understand is worth championing. ...

Because these kids believe the adults are ******* up the world the kids will be living in after the adults are dead.

 

[theprestige]

Okay then, after "I don't listen to children" and "someone else has said all this before", you're now going with "This is all off topic. I can go with 'this is off topic', however, I think the topic is actually 'climate change deniers and the depths they will go to'.

Fair enough. I tend to take the thread title as the theme the thread starter intends to set for the discussion.

However:


What do you think of the article in the OP? Do you agree it's a tissue of obviously fallacious reasoning written bey a man desperate to draw attention away from the excellent, valid and scientifically accurate comments this young lady is making?

Honestly? I didn't get that far. The article in question is behind a paywall. The excerpts quoted in the OP do a good job of making the author seem like a jackass not worth paying attention to. So I didn't bother. I'll take your word for it that his reasoning is an obviously fallacious tissue; and that her comments are excellent, valid, and scientifically accurate.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What parent publicises their kid's private medical/psychological issues? The parents are holding up their daughter as 'special' - one in a billion.

Yet, there are many, many enthusiastic passionate people who care strongly about the health of the planet. There are thousands upon thousands of teenagers who do not live up to the 'norm' of what teenagers are supposed to be (party-loving, irresponsible, loud). Truth is, Greta is a great gal but she is not so very different from many other teenagers. I have nothing against her. It is her parents who get on my nerves, with their long lists of 'what is wrong with Greta' when AFAICS she is not abnormal.

Is this your slow walking back of the ad hominem attack?

It's not Greta, it's her parents
and BTW she's not really that special.


Wrong and wrong. Keep trying, you might get there.