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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed? Part II.

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Steve said:
None of this has any connection to my post that you quoted.
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None of your post got us any closer to a plausible, compelling reason for Thunberg to attend COP25 in person.

But your post did suggest that Thunberg would potentially have meaningful semi-formal and informal meetings with the scientists and diplomats in attendance, where she would be given details about science and policy that she could pass on to her main audience. And I did connect directly with that part of your post. So your assessment is wrong.
 
Steve said:
As viewed from under the bridge.
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As viewed from a lot of places around the world, I think. Greta-as-halftime-show is closer to a plausible, compelling reason for her to be there than the "influence the influential" suggestion from last week. It's even more plausible and compelling than the "be influenced by the influential" suggestion you've brought us this week.
 
theprestige said:
None of your post got us any closer to a plausible, compelling reason for Thunberg to attend COP25 in person.

But your post did suggest that Thunberg would potentially have meaningful semi-formal and informal meetings with the scientists and diplomats in attendance, where she would be given details about science and policy that she could pass on to her main audience. And I did connect directly with that part of your post. So your assessment is wrong.
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I did not intend to give a plausible or compelling reason why Ms. Thunberg should attend. I can provide no plausible or compelling reason for any of the delegates to attend. Given that the conference will be proceeding, complete with attendees, I have provided some info on what she may get out of it.

What I suggested is that there are a number of different ways of communicating and obtaining information at a conference. I said nothing about scientists or diplomats. And yes, I did and do say that she is likely to glean some information from the conference that she did not previously know. And yes, I do say that she will pass this information on to other people.
 
Steve said:
I did not intend to give a plausible or compelling reason why Ms. Thunberg should attend. I can provide no plausible or compelling reason for any of the delegates to attend. Given that the conference will be proceeding, complete with attendees, I have provided some info on what she may get out of it.

What I suggested is that there are a number of different ways of communicating and obtaining information at a conference. I said nothing about scientists or diplomats. And yes, I did and do say that she is likely to glean some information from the conference that she did not previously know. And yes, I do say that she will pass this information on to other people.
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"Scientists and diplomats" is my shorthand for the people who are going to COP25 to coordinate climate change policy at the international level. I can think of plausible and compelling reasons for them to attend. I'm a little surprised that you can't.

Do you think COP25 is an important event?

Do you think it's important for Greta to attend in person? If so, why?
 
theprestige said:
"Scientists and diplomats" is my shorthand for the people who are going to COP25 to coordinate climate change policy at the international level. I can think of plausible and compelling reasons for them to attend. I'm a little surprised that you can't.

Do you think COP25 is an important event?

Do you think it's important for Greta to attend in person? If so, why?
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I think that the attendance or absence of any one person will have an insignificant effect. No single attendance is important.

The conference has the potential to be an important event if positive action plans are agreed to and implemented quickly. The history of such conferences does not convince me that this will happen.
 
Steve said:
I think that the attendance or absence of any one person will have an insignificant effect. No single attendance is important.

The conference has the potential to be an important event if positive action plans are agreed to and implemented quickly. The history of such conferences does not convince me that this will happen.
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Thank you. I share this opinion.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, do you have any serious objection to me taking the piss out of the idea Thunberg's attendance at COP25 is an important part of a brave campaign?
 
theprestige said:
Thank you. I share this opinion.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, do you have any serious objection to me taking the piss out of the idea Thunberg's attendance at COP25 is an important part of a brave campaign?
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Other than not seeing anyone other than the disparagers in this thread offering that position, and thinking that "taking the piss" is a rather pathetic way of spending one's time, if you feel compelled to do this go ahead. You will likely keep seeing responses to your comments, though.
 
Steve said:
Other than not seeing anyone other than the disparagers in this thread offering that position, and thinking that "taking the piss" is a rather pathetic way of spending one's time, if you feel compelled to do this go ahead. You will likely keep seeing responses to your comments, though.
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Hm... That's a fair point. Perhaps Greta is the only one taking her attendance at COP25 seriously.
 
theprestige said:
Hm... That's a fair point. Perhaps Greta is the only one taking her attendance at COP25 seriously.
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Depends what you mean by seriously. As an invitee she is perfectly entitled to attend. I expect that whoever extended the invitation was serious. Ms. Thunberg herself no doubt takes it seriously. I equally have no doubt that some of the attendees will not take her presence seriously and will be amused by it.
 
theprestige said:
Mere desire is rarely a compelling reason for anything. Why is it important to anyone besides Greta? Is it important to you? Why?
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Did I have a "compelling reason" to attend TAM in 2009? You attend a conference for many reasons - exchanging information, networking, to see speakers, to speak, meet up with friends, make new friends, and maybe to participate in a talent show in which you smash a cinder block with a sledgehammer on the chest of someone who's lying on a bed of nails.
 
I for one, am glad she's going to make it to COP 25. Maybe then she can explain this "drastic, sufficient action" she was recently on about.

You know that "drastic, sufficient action" that not even her most ardent supporters wanted to touch with a 10 foot pole.
 
It indicates something, I think, that the climate emergency thread is dead silent, no interest, but this one keeps cranking along. Why is G-Thun the person so much more interesting than her message?
 
Thermal said:
It indicates something, I think, that the climate emergency thread is dead silent, no interest, but this one keeps cranking along. Why is G-Thun the person so much more interesting than her message?
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Because jokes can me made about Ms. Thunberg, and feathers can be ruffled. Climate change itself is much too serious a topic for that.
 
Thermal said:
It indicates something, I think, that the climate emergency thread is dead silent, no interest, but this one keeps cranking along. Why is G-Thun the person so much more interesting than her message?
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It's because dealing with the mechanics of of what it would take "To have a 67% chance of staying below a 1.5 degrees global temperature rise – the best odds given by the [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] – the world had 420 gigatons of CO2 left to emit back on Jan. 1st, 2018. Today that figure is already down to less than 350 gigatons.

"How dare you pretend that this can be solved with just 'business as usual' and some technical solutions? With today's emissions levels, that remaining CO2 budget will be entirely gone within less than 8 1/2 years."

Is pretty freakin' scary.

Other than somebody has to do something, Thunberg doesn't have much of a message.
 
COP25 has begun. A lot of middle aged men and women in the photo ops at the opening.
The sound bites were very much like the Paris Climate meeting.

Now to follow up on something might be great.
 
8enotto said:
COP25 has begun. A lot of middle aged men and women in the photo ops at the opening.
The sound bites were very much like the Paris Climate meeting.

Now to follow up on something might be great.
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By that I assume you mean actual climate scientists.

Has anyone added up how many plane trips across the atlantic it has taken to get her their "carbon free" given it was at least 5 for NY and 2 more to get her to COP25?

Geez. It's inspirational.

Brilliant.
 
But to be fair

I forgive them

She is currently a fashion adornment

Like being seen wearing hemp loafers,
 
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