Cont: Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed - part 3

In the meantime, the co-ordinator of the flotilla has resigned because he found out that some members of the flotilla were gay:

GSF co-ordinator Khaled Boujemâa announced his resignation in protest at the presence of LGBTQ activists in the flotilla, including Saif Ayadi, who identifies as a “queer activist”....

Other figures, including activist Mariem Meftah and presenter Samir Elwafi, condemned what they saw as an attempt to impose a cultural progressive agenda unrelated to the Palestinian cause, describing it as a “red line crossed” and an attack on “societal values”.... such activism is viewed as incompatible with Islamic beliefs....

“What do you expect an Arab Muslim to think when he hears the slogans of this ‘queer’ movement within a flotilla launched in the name of his most sacred and central cause, only to see it degraded in this way!? [Elwafi wrote].”
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Ship of fools.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Ah, the "woke" again.

Tell me, is this "woke" in the room with us right now?
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Apparently the woke is taking a boat ride to Gaza. Maybe when they get there, they'll find nothing but God fearing Muslims who would rather starve to death, than accept food from what they consider to be unclean hands.

LGBTQIA+ taking a stand for one of the most homophobic, intolerant cultures on the planet is an endless source of amusement. And despair.
 
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It seems the flotilla is reporting more drone attacks. We know from footage that the "attack" in Tunisia was actually one of the boat's own crewmembers fooling around with a flare.

Now they're reporting more attacks, at sea. However, they've made no requests for help, and none of the attacks has been independently corroborated.

There was a similar case back in May, of one of these "aid" boats claiming to have been attacked by missiles or bombs of some kind, from a drone of some kind. In that case, they requested aid, and were attended by coast guard personnel. Some kind of damage to the boat, and a fire, were corroborated by the coast guard, but as far as I can tell, the actual cause of the damage was never investigated.

I'm of the opinion that this is some combination of confusion and dishonesty on the part of the flotilla. Possibly complemented by incompetence causing real damage to one or more of the boats, which is then attributed to "drones".

I suspect that if and when the Israelis interdict these boats, they will do so openly, in full sight of the world, so that there can be no doubt about exactly what was done. Secret, ineffective drone strikes don't seem to be worth the trouble.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
2 ships of the flotilla attacked by drones.
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Allegedly.

Activists taking part in a flotilla seeking to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza said Wednesday that some of their boats were attacked by drones overnight while sailing south of Greece.​
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The Global Sumud Flotilla said it was attacked during the night by "unidentified drones and communications jamming." It said that "at least 13 explosions" were heard on and around several flotilla boats, while drones or aircraft dropped "unidentified objects" on at least 10 boats.​
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No casualties were reported but there was damage to the vessels and "widespread obstruction in communications," it added. Activists posted a brief video showing what appeared to be an explosion on or near one of the vessels.​
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Greece's coast guard did not report any distress calls.​
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www.cbsnews.com

Activist flotilla on way to Gaza says drones attacked its boats during night

Swedish activist Greta Thunberg, who is on board one of the boats, called the strikes a "scare tactic" and implored the flotilla's supporters to stay focused on Gaza rather than on the activists.
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The Great Zaganza said:
Spain and Italy sending ships for protection.
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"Protection."
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Does anyone really think Israel had anything to do with this.
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I mean... It's at least remotely plausible, yeah? It's not my top possibility, but maybe Israel really is conducting a demoralization campaign, ahead of the inevitable interdiction. Since I think of the blockade as a legitimate military recourse, and the flotilla as a deliberate attempt to run a military blockade, I wouldn't have an objection to the blockade runners being the subject of a PSYOP attack.

Skeptical Greg said:
Who in the world would oppose a relief mission to Gaza besides Israel?
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That's a good point. I suppose there might be some pragmatically-minded folks out there, who oppose civilians trying to run military blockades as a matter of principle and public safety. If so, the Italians aren't among them. It seems there are some Italian lawmakers in the flotilla, and their government is providing safety and security support for the mission, following the allegations of "drone attacks".
 
You give me pause for more thought.

I see the possibility of Israel doing a little discouragement, to possibly avoid the inevitable large scale interdiction if the flotilla continues on their mission.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
You give me pause for more thought.

I see the possibility of Israel doing a little discouragement, to possibly avoid the inevitable large scale interdiction if the flotilla continues on their mission.
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Or at least leave them too demoralized to try any fancy tricks at interdiction time.

What I'm interested in, is what happens during the interdiction. If the IDF doesn't intercept and commandeer all the boats at once, will the blockade runners form an orderly queue and wait their turn? Or will some of them try to press on, while the IDF is occupied with their comrades? If any of them do press on, after being properly warned, will the IDF summarily sink them?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Does anyone really think Israel had anything to do with this.

Who in the world would oppose a relief mission to Gaza besides Israel?
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There would not be a flotilla if Israel was allowing in the food that the people need.

Instead Israel is using food and starvation as a weapon.
 
d4m10n said:
The linked article wasn't about some random guy on 4chan, you can tell that much from first bit of headline:

Barr defends Trump use of treason against Biden​

Not sure where we got our wires crossed there.

Regarding how "a public figure can lie" you seem to be saying that Kirk actually knew the truth rather than just following Trump's lead.

To quote @Resume from earlier "[Kirk] claimed to be a critical thinker and I never saw much evidence of that."

Once the GOP started adopting treason rhetoric for their political opponents, it was just a matter of time until some of the right-wing outrage entrepreneurs starting taking that language literally and seriously.
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aniri said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1972938224281465339
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This is EXACTLY what they tried to show when Thunberg went on her first boat trip - nothing new here.
Of course, Thunberg isn't in charge of the flotilla, and isn't providing any funding.

In other words: this is just for people desperate to find a Kevin Bacon connection between who they don't like and who others don't like.
 
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