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Great, no "Afterlife"?

billyjoe writes:
What if you're enjoying life to the fullest?
LucyR attempt to show off:
What if you're enjoying life to the full? Not if the people in it can't speak English.
Thanks for the intolerance, LucyR--you've contributed a significant amount to the conversation. Do some reading--billyjoe is using a standard English idiom. Notably, F. Scott Fitzgerald uses "appreciating life to the fullest" in This Side of Paradise.
 
from BillyJoe:
There are estimated to be a dozen new delusions every week around the world.
Come on, BillyJoe, you have no sense of scale; I've known boardrooms that can do better than that. I've seen marriages that could beat the dozen over a year. And the average fifteen-year-old beats it daily. HomSap only developed such a large brain so that it could accomodate delusions. (And brew better hooch, obviously.)
 
CapelDodger said:
Come on, BillyJoe, you have no sense of scale; I've known boardrooms that can do better than that. I've seen marriages that could beat the dozen over a year. And the average fifteen-year-old beats it daily. HomSap only developed such a large brain so that it could accomodate delusions. (And brew better hooch, obviously.)
Yeah, I was being over generous.:D
 
Neutron Jack said:
Thanks for the intolerance, LucyR--you've contributed a significant amount to the conversation. Do some reading--billyjoe is using a standard English idiom. Notably, F. Scott Fitzgerald uses "appreciating life to the fullest" in This Side of Paradise.
How far back did you find that? I must admit I missed that retort. Pity, I would have enjoyed giving Lucy something back.

:cool:
 
From a very strict materialist standpoint, there is a such thing as an afterlife and reincarnation. Not to play semantics games, but the percentage of Earth's mass which is carbon is smaller than one would think. My bodily material has almost certainly been re-used by countless organisms and will just as assuredly be re-used again.

To be even more precise, it already has. The multitude of bacteria who hapily reside in my gut, more of them I'm told then there have ever been humans, put on a great show of "reincarnating" my food, and who's to say where food ends and you begin?

If I were to ingest a radioactive sample of sucrose, the radioactivity would be dissapated quite rapidly, as my body recycles the material it's made out of at an impressive rate (partially accounting for the dust I live in). Even my nerve cells, which one would cling to as an example of unchanging, static systems withing the body are a revolving door. The constituent atoms I call me have surely been witness to the innards of all grades, all kingdoms at various times. Surely some particles that were once part of me are now part of someone else.

Aside from being an interesting byproduct of modern biology, such intuitive abstractions as "self" and "afterlife" really have no meaning, when one considers just how fuzzy the line between dead and alive, connected and disconnected are.
 
neutrino_cannon,

neutrino_cannon said:
Aside from being an interesting byproduct of modern biology, such intuitive abstractions as "self" and "afterlife" really have no meaning, when one considers just how fuzzy the line between dead and alive, connected and disconnected are.
:)

Except for the "really have no meaning" bit.

I would think that the "illusion of self" that is "you", really means a great deal to "you".

BillyJoe.
 
UPDATE ON MATTEO

From this weeks commentary...

Reader Matteo Martini tells us:


I have just arrived home from the trip to Medjugorje [Yugoslavia] with a priest friend of mine. The trip has been very interesting for the reasons I will explain later, I have also met many people including two Americans who built a castle two km. away from the center of Medjugorje which is a reproduction of the castle described in the works of St. Therese.
But let' s start from the beginning. I arrived at Medjugorje on the first, me and my friend got up on the 2nd to go to see the apparition of the "Holy Lady Mirijana." We went under a very big tent at 7 a.m. with some 500 other people, we sang and prayed for 2 hours and at about 9, Mirjiana arrived.

What happened? At once, she stopped looking around and fixed her gaze on one point in front of her, started to move her mouth but no sound was heard. And her eyes blinked all the time. After about 5 minutes of this she looked up, and a tear came down her face.

That was all.

I saw nothing really paranormal here. I think you can cry somehow if you want to. This does not seem any proof of anything paranormal.

Then I spoke with a woman here and asked about the strange effects of the Sun that are said in many sites to happen in Medjugorje. Every person I tried to speak to about the Sun miracle said, "This is not really important, what is important is faith." But I kept asking so they (this woman and later a guy I met in the shop close to the church) told me that something strange with the Sun happens every afternoon, even if those effects are not quite as visible now as they were twenty years ago at the beginning of the apparitions of Medjugorje. So I took my video camera and went close to the church at about 5 p.m.

From time to time I watched the Sun but nothing particular was happening. Then it was six, six thirty and nothing was happening. Then I looked at my right and saw an Italian family staring at the Sun. The daughter was saying, "Don't you see that it is spinning?" and the father said, "Yeah! And it's becoming a little bit blue too." Then the daughter again, "And now it seems like it is falling down to the Earth ," etc. I looked at the Sun and it was not spinning nor falling and it was of the same color I saw it in the last 30 years.

I filmed everything with my camera and tomorrow I will watch at my video one more time, but nothing was happening and I was standing one meter from that family. Two minutes passed and then I saw some ladies standing 20 meters from me and staring at the Sun. They were saying more or less the same things, "The Sun is falling," and "The Sun is spinning," etc.

The Sun was not falling nor spinning.

Then looking again, I realized that, after staring at the Sun for 15 to 20 seconds, you actually see it a little bit different, maybe moving a little bit and changing color. But those are the same optical effects that you may happen to see if you stare at it a little bit too much even in Munich, Rome, New York or London. Before the Sun set I was able to recognize at least fifteen of these ummm, these witnesses.

I came close to that Italian family again and started to say, "It seems to me that there is something black on the lower part of the Sun now" and the father said "Yeah! That is true!" And "It seems to me that now that it's splitting a little bit into two...!"

It was hard to avoid laughing.

I will come back to Medjugorje, there is still the mystery of the water coming down from the big statue of Christ and I would like to take some other good video of the witnesses.


Randi:
Matteo, we'll look forward to your next report, though I suspect it will also be devoid of miracles. You have your eyes and your mind too open for wonders to occur....

:)

BJ
 

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