Grandson of WWII NAZI banker accuses others of appeasement.

[CHF]

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[mrbaracuda]

Oil money.

Ah, I didn't mean it so literally, CHF!
What I meant was how they can get the money through. It seems to be fine to spend money on mosques and other projects, doesn't it, so how would you do something about it?

I'd say Wahabbism spends a fair amount of time calling for violence and terror. If that's not illegal then it probably should be.

Sometimes we in the West tend to be too tolerant for our own good.

I agree, but how would you tackle the problem?

 

[CHF]

Ah, I didn't mean it so literally, CHF!
What I meant was how they can get the money through. It seems to be fine to spend money on mosques and other projects, doesn't it, so how would you do something about it?

I would argue that they can get the money through with such ease because our mindless political correctness demands that we respect all "religions" and beliefs - no matter how obviously hostile and warped they are.

If it were up to me, all Saudi funding of Islamic institutions would be banned.

Sadly, I'm afraid it won't happen unless we're faced with a stready stream of extremism and terror attacks from it's followers (Europe will probably be the first to be faced with this). In the meantime we have to play dumb and pretend that Wahabbism is just another faith, no less worthy of our tolerance than, say, Buddhism.

 

[Gravy]

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
w w w .guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
The Whitehouse Coup
w w w .bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723 shtm

Hello, TruthByDecree. You know who really, really hate Nazis? The members of the Anti-Defamation League. Here's what they have to say about Prescott Bush:

Rumors about the alleged Nazi "ties" of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated.

Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer. http://www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/prescott.htm

 

[dudalb]

There is enough to blast Bush for without bringing in crappy evidence about his grandfather's alleged Nazi ties in.
Once again, the political blinders some people wear here is astounding.

 

[mrbaracuda]

I would argue that they can get the money through with such ease because our mindless political correctness demands that we respect all "religions" and beliefs - no matter how obviously hostile and warped they are.

If it were up to me, all Saudi funding of Islamic institutions would be banned.

Sadly, I'm afraid it won't happen unless we're faced with a stready stream of extremism and terror attacks from it's followers (Europe will probably be the first to be faced with this). In the meantime we have to play dumb and pretend that Wahabbism is just another faith, no less worthy of our tolerance than, say, Buddhism.

So you don't have a solution. Well, me neither, especially not for America. Maybe LashL can help us out!

 

[dudalb]

I would argue that they can get the money through with such ease because our mindless political correctness demands that we respect all "religions" and beliefs - no matter how obviously hostile and warped they are.

If it were up to me, all Saudi funding of Islamic institutions would be banned.

Sadly, I'm afraid it won't happen unless we're faced with a stready stream of extremism and terror attacks from it's followers (Europe will probably be the first to be faced with this). In the meantime we have to play dumb and pretend that Wahabbism is just another faith, no less worthy of our tolerance than, say, Buddhism.

I despise Wahabbism, but to be fair I think ANY administration in power will look the other way at the Saudi funding of these groups for one reason: We Need the Freaking Oil. I don't expect any change of policy if the Dems are in power.
I am not even sure we can cut off funding of Wahabbis in the US from foreign sources unless we can legallly establish that the money is being used for illegal purposes.
The problem is are you really comfortable with the Government deciding what religons should be tolerated and which should not? Sort of defeats the purpose of the First Admendment,does'nt it?
And I hope you are honest enough to admit that some of the political left is also turning a blind eye to Islamic Extremism. One of the posters in this thread swho has strong left wing leanings screams "Islamophobe" and "Bigot" if anybody dares suggest that such a thing as Islamic extremism exists.

 

[WildCat]

What is there for them to demand? Bush allows them to pump millions of dollars into funding Wahabbism in America and holds their hand afterwards.

Perhaps the correct word for it isn't appeasement so much as it is collaboration.

"Allows them"? Are you stating that if another country does things the US doesn't like it is only doing so because the US allows it? If I'm misunderstanding you please correct me.

 

[mrbaracuda]

One of the posters in this thread swho has strong left wing leanings screams "Islamophobe" and "Bigot" if anybody dares suggest that such a thing as Islamic extremism exists.

Ha, funny thing, I was looking and looking, wondering who it might be, then I noticed I got him on ignore. Good times.

 

[TruthByDecree]

Hello, TruthByDecree. You know who really, really hate Nazis? The members of the Anti-Defamation League. Here's what they have to say about Prescott Bush:


Quote:
Rumors about the alleged Nazi "ties" of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated.

Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer. http://www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/prescott.htm

Hello. Yeah that’s from 2003. My Guardian piece is from 2004 and the BBC report was from 2007. The Guardian piece (that’s from a year after your ADL declaration that it’s all just a conspiracy theory) starts with…

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

It’s all very well documented and confirmed though that’s not really the point here being that the hypocrisy (the point of the op. Did you GET that?)) of Bush’s statement about appeasement is also well documented by the long history of Bush family appeasement towards tyrants and terrorists. Be it Hitler, Saddam or the Saudis, who are presently helping to terrorize our economy. And what does Bush do?

Gee that kind of reminds me of something…

I wonder if the President feels the Prince is an appeaser too?

And did the Prince appease the President today on his oil production request? Nope. Maybe he should have put out a little more. I mean it’s got to be their forth or fifth date by now.

But if it is conspiracy theories you wish to talk about Mr. Gravy I believe there is a forum for that. Are you familiar with it?

 

[Gravy]

From the Guardian article:

While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.

This is hardly news. Your other link didn't work.

You have not supported with evidence your contention that "he’s only sitting in the White House because his Grandfather built the family fortune and political dynasty off the backs of NAZI slave labor."

 

[TruthByDecree]

From the Guardian article:

This is hardly news. Your other link didn't work.

You have not supported with evidence your contention that "he’s only sitting in the White House because his Grandfather built the family fortune and political dynasty off the backs of NAZI slave labor."

I couldn't post links yet before try this one though I'm sure you know all about it already. Like I said it's well documented.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

The U.S. government didn't order the seizure of everyone's assets under the trading with the enemy act during WWII just the ones they felt were helping the NAZI's. That's all I evidence I need as far as appeasement goes Mr Gravy.

In any case what I'm really interested to know from you is what you think of Bush's comments on appeasement. You know the subject you are avoiding? The topic?

 

[CHF]

"Allows them"? Are you stating that if another country does things the US doesn't like it is only doing so because the US allows it? If I'm misunderstanding you please correct me.

When it comes to what the Saudis do within the USA, yes - of course that's done with US allowance, especially given how the Saudi funding of Wahabbism isn't exactly a secret.

The US government knows what's going on and allows it to happen because of brain-dead political correctness and the need to not upset oil suppliers.

 

[CHF]

The problem is are you really comfortable with the Government deciding what religons should be tolerated and which should not? Sort of defeats the purpose of the First Admendment,does'nt it?

This is what I mean by Western nations being too tolerant for their own good, especially when it comes to the gibberish of radical religion. Radical imams (especially in Europe) are quite upfront about their desire to turn their host nations in carbon copies of the totalitarian hellholes ruled by Shria law, and unlike marginalized fringe groups like neo-Nazis, the Wahabbists are quite capable of causing serious damage given the growing Muslim populations.

As of now, we cannot do a whole lot about it because of the "slippery slope" argument and the need to defend all points of view. That's fine - I fully understand the need to do so. I just hope no one acts surprised when parts of the West find themselves faced with Islamic insurgencies.

And I hope you are honest enough to admit that some of the political left is also turning a blind eye to Islamic Extremism. One of the posters in this thread swho has strong left wing leanings screams "Islamophobe" and "Bigot" if anybody dares suggest that such a thing as Islamic extremism exists.

I think many on the far left are so fixated on the evils of colonialism that the notion of a violent or evil non-white, non-Christian is simply incomprehensible to them.

 

[Gravy]

I couldn't post links yet before try this one though I'm sure you know all about it already. Like I said it's well documented.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

A crackpot dreamed up a fantasy about taking over the government by recruiting an army of 500,000, and tried to gain recruits by claiming that he had all sorts of powerful allies in U.S. industry and finance – none of which was true. That's your idea of "well-documented?" Please look more closely at the truth behind this tale, and don't believe everything you hear on the radio.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

As a general rule of thumb, I've noticed that any web site or internet handle with "truth" in the name generally is full of lies. Just for ***** and giggles, would you like to back that up?

Wiki Precott Bush

Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. was the main Wall Street partner for several German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party, but by 1939 was bitterly denouncing Hitler and had fled Germany. He was later jailed by the Nazis for his opposition to the Nazi regime.[5] Business transactions with Germany were not illegal until Hitler declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of German banking operations in New York City. Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing property under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order cited only the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Bush was a director and held only one share. Fox News has reports on recently declassified material about this issue, according to a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency.[6] By 1941 Thyssen no longer had control over his business empire, which was in the hands of the Nazi government.

 

[Gravy]

Wiki Precott Bush

Thanks, but that's nothing that hasn't been known since the 1940's.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Thanks, but that's nothing that hasn't been known since the 1940's.

Ohh, I know. I do not think it a big deal, it is just that Wildcat seemed to not know and needed evidence of such.

 

[TruthByDecree]

Mr. Gravy? What's a better example of appeasement? A bank that helps and profits off of financing the enemy’s war machine or just talking to Iran who we are not at war with?

Why it is ok for the President to hold hands with someone who also holds the hand of the supposed enemy, but anyone who just wants to talk to that supposed enemy is an appeaser?

You forgot to clarify your position on the op Mr. Gravy. If you will please.

 

[Gravy]

Second time: You have not supported with evidence your contention that "he’s only sitting in the White House because his Grandfather built the family fortune and political dynasty off the backs of NAZI slave labor."

Nor can you.