God's purpose

arthwollipot said:
"The answer is for us to know him" is not a reason for anything.

At best, it can be recast as "I can't tell you - you have to find out for yourself" which, while a complete cop-out, is actually an answer. All answers are responses, but not all responses are answers. Your response is not an answer to anything.
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Why is it so hard for you atheists to accept this answer?

This answer is clearly taught in the Bible. How about we are to serve at his good pleasure. :)
 
logger said:
Why is it so hard for you atheists to accept this answer?
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Because it's bollocks.

logger said:
This answer is clearly taught in the Bible.......
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Which is how we know it's bollocks.

Why is it so hard for you theists to accept that "because the bible says so" isn't an answer?

For example: "How do we know the bible is the word of god? Because it says so in the bible."
 
Thor 2 said:
OK maybe I should have fleshed it out a bit in the beginning. My focus is on the Abrahamic god who is happily filling up heaven with saved souls.

Is this the reason then for original creation? So this god can surround himself with companions? Companions who can heap their praise and grovel to him for eternity?

I can't see any other purpose but then I don't know the ways of god, (just thew this in so theists don't need to respond with it).
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I gave you a scenario which answers your question about God's purpose. No matter which God. It seems to me that you prefer to stick to the Abrahamic God (and the Christian story) because there are many contradictions to that God. Easier to attack.

Are you expecting answers from only Christians (saved souls!)? Or from the other two Abrahamic theists also?
 
This is something I often bring up myself. If (BIG if...) there were a God with the attributes we commonly ascribe to that being... Omnipotent, Omniscient, etc....
Why would it bother to create anything? What would be the point?

Omniscience and omnipotence alone would mean that God could imagine literally anything, and bring it instantly into existence in complete perfection... And understand that creation's ultimate fate through all of time, down to the disposition of each molecule's dissolution.
So....Why bother.

Is God lonely? Lacking in self-esteem? Just wants to "share the love"? Then simply create Heaven, fill it with happy, shining people and let it go at that.
 
fuelair said:
Carnally I am quite sure!!!
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Why do you think God's name makes such a frequent appearance during sex?

Thor 2 said:
Is this the reason then for original creation? So this god can surround himself with companions? Companions who can heap their praise and grovel to him for eternity?
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Seems doubtful. He already had the angels for that.

Of course, in the angels he was supposed to have a completely obedient race of beings, but still many of them rejected him. That has to be a blow to one's ego. Why he then chose to create an inferior being, though, I don't know. It seems he was distraught and not thinking very clearly.

logger said:
This answer is clearly taught in the Bible.
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A lot of things are taught in the Bible that are no longer acceptable responses in a civilized society.
 
Argumemnon said:
That is such a typical theist answer. It makes no sense but it sounds clever.

And it STILL makes god look like an attention-seeking megalomaniac.
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This sounds familiar.

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Argumemnon said:
That is such a typical theist answer. It makes no sense but it sounds clever.

And it STILL makes god look like an attention-seeking megalomaniac.
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I've used this parable a few times but it bears repeating.

Every single time a theist explains how the God/Man relationship is supposed to work, both morally and functionally, it always sounds like me saying I rehydrated a batch of sea monkeys, took one of them off to the side and told him a vague parable about prostitute, a turkey baster, and double sided coin then put him back in the general population, then waited for ten generations of sea monkeys to go by then on one random day dump out their tank and only save the sea monkeys that 3 times a day faced a certain direction their tank and told me how much they like my hair cut and get angry at them that not all of them got it.

That seriously is how God always come across. "Jeez people I told the illiterate goat herders a couple thousand years ago what I wanted, via a flaming bush that told some dude to chisel stuff on a rock that then looked at in a hat through a magic rock beneath a tree on the 3rd Wednesday of the second month of the fourth quarter. Why is this so hard to get?"
 
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JoeBentley said:
I've used this parable a few times but it bears repeating.

Every single time a theist explains how the God/Man relationship is supposed to work, both morally and functionally, it always sounds like me saying I rehydrated a batch of sea monkeys, took one of them off to the side and told him a vague parable about prostitute, a turkey baster, and double sided coin then put him back in the general population, then waited for ten generations of sea monkeys to go by then on one random day dump out their tank and only save the sea monkeys that 3 times a day faced a certain direction their tank and told me how much they like my hair cut and get angry at them that not all of them got it.

That seriously is how God always come across. "Jeez people I told the illiterate goat herders a couple thousand years ago what I wanted, via a flaming bush that told some dude to chisel stuff on a rock that then looked at in a hat through a magic rock beneath a tree on the 3rd Wednesday of the second month of the fourth quarter. Why is this so hard to get?"
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Wow. That is the most accurate description of organized religion I've ever heard.

Eta nominated!
 
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Bikewer said:
This is something I often bring up myself. If (BIG if...) there were a God with the attributes we commonly ascribe to that being... Omnipotent, Omniscient, etc....
Why would it bother to create anything? What would be the point?

Omniscience and omnipotence alone would mean that God could imagine literally anything, and bring it instantly into existence in complete perfection... And understand that creation's ultimate fate through all of time, down to the disposition of each molecule's dissolution.
So....Why bother.

Is God lonely? Lacking in self-esteem? Just wants to "share the love"? Then simply create Heaven, fill it with happy, shining people and let it go at that.
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It may be worth noting that the omnis don't say much about the personality, directly, so describing the why as something along the lines of "killing time" to stave off boredom would be an example of a fairly neutral motive that works just fine and fits the "evidence" in this case. Still, yeah. Omniscience pretty well ruins just about any potentially 'good' motivations.
 
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