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God loves no one

Lonewulf

Humanistic Cyborg
Lonewulf
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Yes, this is ignoring the whole "God doesn't exist" thing. So sue me. Also, Deists need not apply (nor anyone that does not believe in Hell or any kind of punishment in the afterlife).

God doesn't love anyone. Not me, not you, no human on planet Earth.

I use the same logic as I would, in saying that a father that abuses his children if they don't make a decision that would make them miserable, doesn't love his children.

There's no good logical argument against this. The only way to sidestep it is to either refuse to believe that God exists, or refuse to believe in any kind of divine-based punishment in the afterlife.
 
Isn't there supposed to be a religion that believes God exists but he/she/it is evil?
 
The common way out of this conundrum is to argue that the morality of God is far surpassing our own and therefore sending a large number of people, arguable larger than the saved, to an eternal punishment is the correct decision because of factors and logic that we cannot comprehend. Even if it pains God to do so it is something that must be done, that is the logic behind it. Of course if that is true than the saved must automatically be considered, by God and themselves, to be superior to the unsaved as we have not only been punished for reasons we can't understand but also that we have apparently been determined to be irredeemable as well. And for that matter it's a nice unfalsfiable statement with absolutely no ability to determine truth, meaning you can easily counter by claiming that God must hate us and it is just as valid a statement.

Of course this goes into the argument of whether or not it is justified to punish individuals for reasons they can't comprehend for a duration we cannot comprehend. In past arguments I've stated that Pascal's Wager essentially requires people to take a bet based on parameters they don't understand. Akin to being asked to bett X amount of money of Y value with no clear way of actually getting out of the bet or finding out what it is you are betting on until after the bet is made. It shrieks dishonesty in your face until your ear drums explode, but for some reason people consider that a mark of a loving God. IMO, there is no way out of supposing that your God is a loving one if he sentences people to unimaginable torments for unimaginable periods of time.

Of course some of the apologetics coming out of the woodworks are stating that we are akin to computer programs to God. In which case God doesn't love us as children he loves us as a painter loves his painting. He appreciates the work went into it and is proud of it but will gladly sell said painting for more drug money. I'm kind of waiting until God sells us to the cosmic art dealer for more LSD.
 
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MontagK505 said:
I'm not sure how many of us could be classified as "works of art"?
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Kinda lends credence to Douglas Gasking' ontological argument doesn't it? By which I mean God not existing...or maybe it does it harm because we aren't marvelous achievements? Or maybe us being flawed achievements is because of an impaired non-existent creator? I don't think his argument was supposed to make sense anyways. :D

1. The creation of the world is the most marvelous achievement imaginable.

2. The merit of an achievement is the product of (a) its intrinsic quality, and (b) the ability of its creator.

3. The greater the disability (or handicap) of the creator, the more impressive the achievement.

4. The most formidable handicap for a creator would be non-existence.

5. Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the product of an existent creator we can conceive a greater being — namely, one who created everything while not existing.

6. Therefore, God does not exist.
 
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Eve was supposed to be his final creation. So I guess that was the best he gould do.
 
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The image I have is on my computer so I can't post a link. My Eve is not like the standard icon you see in reglious art.
 
Lilith seduces Eve, and has a kinky threesome with Adam.

Discuss.
 
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