Hey Roboramma!
That's sort of a tautology, though, isn't it? I mean, the only way to get closer to something is to go toward it...
Well... yeah.
Yes, I didn't make my point clear, thank you for signalizing it.
Going on the way for me means:
being just curious, open, ready and test yourself and focussing on letting all preconceptions, all boxes "I read that" "my teachers told me" "people say" behind you.
Being like a baby and open your senses. "What is a pig?" Observing a pig. What will it do? I don't know. possible it will fly like an eagle. possible it will say hello to you. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS A PIG. So I look (and stop to think about what it could or not^^).
"What is this day?" is it a day "like all the others when the sky is blue"?
"what am I?" "what am I able to do?" "what is the world?" "which sciences are helpful to understand what surrounds me?" I DON'T KNOW. (maybe I heard true things, I will see that afterwards. at the moment, I purely discover.) I did not go deep into a huge amount of sciences, how dare I pretend those who got deep into them are too stupid to recognize the illusion they fell into? But maybe there are some sciences I feel near to - so I will search for excellent masters / information about it, open my mind and look if and how they can help my understanding of my environment.
going on the way is discovering - discovering is emptying and widening (/ training to do this) your mind-box.
Approachs I cannot understand or have a valuable use of I don't take. That does not mean at all that they doesn't work, just it's not my way, it doesn't correspond with me. I do not know and perhaps do not need to know more about it.
This, though, I disagree with, and for a few reasons:
1. I'm not clear what you mean by truth, because the way you use the word seems different from what I generally take it to mean.
2. Even if someone is "on the way" to something, that doesn't mean they're taking the best route. You could save them a lot of time and effort by telling them about the short-cut.
3. And if they are going the wrong way, I don't see any reason why you think its impossible to help them find the right way.
Similar to what I answered to Foster.
And: we have all our personal way. It's possible to help someone to link with his personal power and to find his optimal authentic way, his way of heart.
Some experiences need to be done. If the shortest possible way was to be taken, in my view, earth and this inconceivable diversity of people wouldn't exist. We're here to experience the diversity of approachs and ways.
What may seem a detour is necessaire for understanding / learning a lection the human tended to at a certain point of his developpement.
Could you explain why Gate2501 is incapable of following what you refer to? I mean, you said its because he's only using his "left brain-half" communicating with you, but I don't understand why that's a problem. I also don't understand how you determined that he's only using his left brain-half.
He's thinking (with nice preconception-boxes), not feeling (nor trying). His intellect predominates over his intuitive and holistic perception. Trying himself could tend to help him out of intellectuality.
Why will scepticism only give a negative answer?
Personally I agree with you that it is an instrument, but it has been useful for me in helping me toward many positive answers in my own life.
It helps towards positive answers. But it doesn't give them. It's like a knife that cuts the leaves of corn, so that you can acceed to the grains. it won't make grow nor cook corn so that you can eat it. the corn is already there and you have to prepare it a way you can eat and digest it.
If we have the same definition of Scepticism!
I can be sceptic if the soil before me is solid or not. In fact I'll have to look, to try and finally to go to have any profit. If I remain sceptic, I could eternally sit there and not acceed anywhere.
This is disagree with pretty strongly, again for a few reasons:
1. The right answer may be deep in him, but then it might not yet be there. He may have to spend time, effort, pain, joy, etc. learning things about himself before he finds "the answer" that you refer to. That the answer is already present is in no way obvious. In fact, it may never be.
It often is not on the surface of our conscience and so we may have to spend time, effort etc etc etc.
But I can't do this for him. He has to go on the way.
Ok. Let's say, I'm not him, I don't know if some part of his multidimensional being has the answer yet. I'm just pretty convinced it has.
That doesn't change anything about the fact he has to go on the way. And then the right answer will develop and grow. I think the seed it there, and will decide about the way he choses.
2. The idea that because he disagreed with you, there is therefore no reason to continue to communicate is to me the worst form of defeatism.
It is when we disagree that we are most able to learn something from each other, to realise that we have made mistakes and even, perhaps, to begin to correct them. This is when we are exposed to new ideas and new views on the world, chances to "broaden our horizons" as you might say, and learn things we might never have dreampt before. To cut off, immediately, at such times, when we have the most to gain, is the real energywaste. It is a great opportunity, thrown like trash on the side of the road.
He cogitates and full of preconceptions, see above.
He has a nice box for things he did never really open to.
"It is pretty much a bunch of pseudoscience mixed with some wacky mystical interpretations of QM." "Usually when people come here talking about having "larger horizons" or more "open minds", they are seeing virtue in their ability to accept things into their horizons/mind without thinking very critically about them. "
There's a story about a man of western culture going to a wise master in the east and begs him to teach him [I tell it as I remember it, with my words. I guaranty for the essence not for the details].
The master sits down and signalizes the man to sit down in front of him. There they remain quiet, for a long time. Finally the man insists in wishing being taught. The master stands up, makes some tea, takes the teapot and slowly fills the cup of the man. As the cup is full he just doesn't stop but continues. The man exclaims "but master, what sense does that make? the cup is full, you waste the tea you made...".
The master looks up and says "and so is your mind: like this full cup. whatever I'd tell you, it would be wasted."
I told enough to inspire him. I don't consider my job to prove or persuade. the "bleep"film can help to make understand people an intellectual way better than I can. He didn't catch the value of the film and is not even conscient of it? He needs to try himself, I presume.
I just want to suggest that things which are enriching are often not fun at the moment that we first encounter them, and only later do we realise their true value.
inner growth is regularly linked with going beyond your comfort zone. it's not well accepted in our society not to know about things, so we are used to tell people and ourselves "I know." even where we know or get the proof we don't know!
Who searches for more truth should better constantly have the feeling not to know exactly. just be open to whatever without any expectation and observe.
That can provide an uncomfortable feeling of loss of security.
Having practiced it for some time it can become a meditation form (stressing the holistic perception) linked with a feeling of loss of illusions and that's quite recreative.
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There's always a world behind the box of your (and my) horizon.
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