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Now, which commandments exactly

Thanz -

Not only do we find multiple stories in each gospel on how to get to heaven, we have conflicts between the gospels:


Mark 10:17-31
17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" 18 So Jesus said to him, . . ."You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not bear false witness,' 'Do not defraud,' 'Honor your father and your mother.' " F46 20 And he answered and said to Him, "Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth." 21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven”


Matthew 19:16-22
But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." 18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, "'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' 19 'Honor your father and your mother,' F100 and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "


Luke 18:18-30
20 You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not bear false witness,' 'Honor your father and your mother.'


QUESTION:
Can those who defraud inherit the kingdom of God? No - Mark, Yes - Luke & Matt

Can those who do not love their neighbor inherit the kingdom of God? No - Matt, Yes - Luke & Mark
 
We may as well quote the Highway Code and claim all drivers live by it. Even the ones who routinely speed*, pass in the breakdown lane, run traffic signals, drink and drive, and especially the ones who veer towards pedestrians in crosswalks.

They all DRIVE, don't they?

(*What? YOU never exceed the speed limit?)
 
evildave said:
We may as well quote the Highway Code and claim all drivers live by it. Even the ones who routinely speed*, pass in the breakdown lane, run traffic signals, drink and drive, and especially the ones who veer towards pedestrians in crosswalks.

They all DRIVE, don't they?

(*What? YOU never exceed the speed limit?)
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If you recall, I responding to the idea that one could "follow all the written rules while being a horrible person through loopholes" as put forth by Akots.

If you want your driving analogy to make sense, you would be saying that a person could follow all the written rules of the Highway Code and still be a horrible driver. Is that what you are saying?
 
Yes, a person could follow the letter of the highway code, and still be a horrible and unsafe driver.

But more importantly, so many claim to be following the "unwritten rules" of driving, and they know better than the legal rules.
 
evildave said:
Yes, a person could follow the letter of the highway code, and still be a horrible and unsafe driver.
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How, exactly, does one accomplish this considering the prohibitions agains reckless or careless driving? On what do you base this?

For example, how could I go for my driving test, follow all the rules of the road, and fail the test?
 
Thanz said:


How, exactly, does one accomplish this considering the prohibitions agains reckless or careless driving? On what do you base this?

For example, how could I go for my driving test, follow all the rules of the road, and fail the test?
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Good point. Driving codes always have "catch-all" provisions - I got nailed for "improper driving" once - that make it an offense to operate a vehicle in any manner that, under the circumstances, would create a risk to life, limb or property.

This simply shows the limitations of the analogy, however. Bad drivers are defined essentially by their actions - demonstrating an inability or unwillingness to observe safe driving practices - whereas we tend to think of bad people as being defined by some combination of their actions and their subjective frame of mind. Accordingly, even if you outwardly followed all the rules, no one who was aware that you secretly harbored ill will would say you were truly a good person.
 
ceo_esq said:

Good point. Driving codes always have "catch-all" provisions - I got nailed for "improper driving" once - that make it an offense to operate a vehicle in any manner that, under the circumstances, would create a risk to life, limb or property.

This simply shows the limitations of the analogy, however. Bad drivers are defined essentially by their actions - demonstrating an inability or unwillingness to observe safe driving practices - whereas we tend to think of bad people as being defined by some combination of their actions and their subjective frame of mind. Accordingly, even if you outwardly followed all the rules, no one who was aware that you secretly harbored ill will would say you were truly a good person.
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How realistic is this hypothetical person who does no wrong, but constantly thinks about it? I think that most good people are simply good people, most bad people are simply bad people, both in thoughts and actions.

Of course, no one is good all the time. But I think that the person who does all good actions, but thinks about doing bad actions all the time, simply doesn't exist.
 
The "good driver" who is dangerous is the one who follows the rules, and has accidents anyway.

As an example, teens fresh out of driver's school, who have "the rules" recently memorized are prone to get into a LOT of wrecks. Is lack of experience illegal? No.

People like senior citizens who simply have slower reaction times can be a hazard after a lifetime of accident-free driving.

One simple method is to follow the letter of the law when nobody else is. You can easily cause an accident by driving at the posted maximum speed while the simple majority of people are exceeding it.

Want to hear horns blare at you? Come to a COMPLETE stop while doing a right turn, and check for pedestrians, other cars and/or hazards before proceeding, as California law states you must. You could easily cause someone to rear-end you.

Did you know that if someone signals a left turn, and they drive forward instead of turning, and you crash into them, YOU caused the wreck?

There are so many laws, that you can't help break one law by following another in many situations. Driving "100% legally" under all situations is simply not impossible.
 
whitefork said:
And where's our very own much beloved Logical Goddess?

All hail the omnipotent octopus:
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What about Crom? He laughs at your Omnipotent Octopus.

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