Cont: Global warming discussion V

[Helen]

Just in case you were looking for something else to keep you up at night. Australia would like us to know that climate change enables pedophilia. So, ugh, more money for NGOs?

Girls married off as a climate change 'coping strategy'

Climate change is now believed to be a leading contributor to more frequent and younger nuptials, with 12 million girls tipped to become child brides this year.

www.abc.net.au

Yes, because surely it would just be silly to try to help vulnerable girls? And NGOs are all run by grifters, anyway. So best not do anything!

 

[Stout]

Yes, because surely it would just be silly to try to help vulnerable girls? And NGOs are all run by grifters, anyway. So best not do anything!

Yes, the white people feel the need to tell the brown people that they're doing it wrong. Linking child marriage to climate change is the grift.

 

[Helen]

It's wrong to save girls from being married off as children? I had no idea!

How do you know that the increasing poverty, which is caused by climate change, is not a driving factir behind an increase in child marriages?

 

[Stout]

Selling your daughter to a pedophile is a cultural issue, it's straight up white supremacy trying to fix it. Tying it to climate change is just an attempt to milk some white guilt.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You mean Cultural Issue like the permissible age of marriage in Red States?

 

[Planigale]

Selling your daughter to a pedophile is a cultural issue, it's straight up white supremacy trying to fix it. Tying it to climate change is just an attempt to milk some white guilt.

Some of it is a direct result of US policy. US sanctions on poverty stricken countries mean that families are literally starving to death, marrying off a daughter means one less mouth to feed and possibly a 'better life', or at least a life with enough food to survive for the daughter. Yes climate change contributes to the poverty (and US policies are also important in climate change).

Deferred marriage is a historic and global anomaly, it was a peculiarity of north western europe, particularly the germanic cultures (including England but not Ireland) from medieval times, it probably emerged following the Black Death and consequent social changes. Globally and historically marriage was normally in early teens. Marrying a menstruating woman (which through most of history and globally was the norm) is not pedophilia, in general that would be around 14 for women. Deferred marriage until the early twenties and indeed the acceptability of no marriage was probably important in the development of the concept of rights for women.

The Cambridge Group for the History of Population and Social Structure (CAMPOP), Cambridge

www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk

The European Marriage Pattern | Encyclopedia.com

THE EUROPEAN MARRIAGE PATTERNDavid Levine Source for information on The European Marriage Pattern: Encyclopedia of European Social History dictionary.

www.encyclopedia.com

 

[Stout]

Now we have child marriage being historical and I'll add in monsoons historically wrecking South Asian cities so the only really "new" thing here is climate change being brought into the mix in order to try to shift (at least some of the blame) from what has been for quite some time, onto western nations who obviously condemn this sort of behaviour.

Or the NGOs are just trying to whip up some sort of frenzy "Twelve million girls are tipped to become child brides this year, according to Plan International." I mean 12 million, in one year, do these Aussies think they even stand the remotest of chances of convincing say, Bangladeshis, that their culture is messed up and when things get tough, maybe they should rethink the whole idea of selling a family member.

Just send food instead.

 

[Planigale]

Now we have child marriage being historical and I'll add in monsoons historically wrecking South Asian cities so the only really "new" thing here is climate change being brought into the mix in order to try to shift (at least some of the blame) from what has been for quite some time, onto western nations who obviously condemn this sort of behaviour.

Or the NGOs are just trying to whip up some sort of frenzy "Twelve million girls are tipped to become child brides this year, according to Plan International." I mean 12 million, in one year, do these Aussies think they even stand the remotest of chances of convincing say, Bangladeshis, that their culture is messed up and when things get tough, maybe they should rethink the whole idea of selling a family member.

Just send food instead.

Is their culture messed up? Or are you just judging by your own cultural views? I was trying to explain that what you call child marriage, is not child marriage throughout most of history or most of the world. Your normal is a very specific geographical and temporal anomaly.

Having said that as a woman I am very happy to fit in to the north western post medieval model of marriage in my twenties (or in my case thirties).

 

[Stout]

Judging by my own cultural views of course, just like the Australians are.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Selling your daughter to a pedophile is a cultural issue, it's straight up white supremacy trying to fix it. Tying it to climate change is just an attempt to milk some white guilt.

If the shoe fits...

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Fake news CCP propaganda

The moisture comes from the water used to clean the solar panels.

No, it doesn't. Solar panels are generally only cleaned 2 or 3 times a year, and if water is used only a small amount is needed. If you think that's enough to keep grass green for months at a time in the desert you know nothing about agriculture. The reason for the moisture increase was mentioned in the video, which wasn't 'fake propaganda'. The effect is real and has been studied by scientists around the world.

But top marks for parroting another denier talking point.

Big Solar has deemed using sheep as the most cost effective way of controlling grass growth.

This is propaganda, but it doesn't fool us - we all know your agenda.

If all 'Big Solar' wanted to do was control the grass they would just spray it with weedkiller while they were cleaning the panels (glyphosate is cheap now that the patent has expired). The idea behind running sheep is to improve the environment and give some value for local farmers. When China does that it's called called 'propaganda'. In the West it's called 'exploitation'. In both cases 'Big Solar' decided to help the World become a better place rather than be dicks. No rational person would have a problem with that.

 

[Stout]

No, it doesn't. Solar panels are generally only cleaned 2 or 3 times a year, and if water is used only a small amount is needed. If you think that's enough to keep grass green for months at a time in the desert you know nothing about agriculture. The reason for the moisture increase was mentioned in the video, which wasn't 'fake propaganda'. The effect is real and has been studied by scientists around the world.

On average yes, now tell me about solar panels in high altitude deserts. The video doesn't mention anything about where the water came from only that the panels slow it's evaporation.

If all 'Big Solar' wanted to do was control the grass they would just spray it with weedkiller while they were cleaning the panels...

Now, you see, this they did address in the video, only they talked about mowing, not spraying some kill everything it comes in contact with herbicide, which would be bad PR for a government trying to market this as some sort of miraculous transformation.

 

[dann]

It's funny that instead of "spraying some kill everything it comes in contact with herbicide," it seems as if solar farms all over the world have noticed that sheep are a much better solution, not just in China and not just in the desert.

Solcellepark i Vedde sikrer både biodiversitet og bidrager til grøn omstilling af energi (Dansk Naturfredningsforening, Nov 27, 2025)

Biodiversitet i solcelleparker (Obton Forvaltning A/S on YouTube, June 30, 2023 – 2 min.)


Meanwhile in Canada:

Extreme Temperatures around the World on X, July 13, 2026
HISTORIC HEAT WAVE IN CANADA
In Ontario:
40.7C Armstrong
39.5C Thunder Bay
etc
Heat Indexes up to 50C in Manitoba

DOZENS OF RECORDS of Highest Minimums smashed with insane margins in Manitoba and Ontario
with Mins locally >26C,unprecedented.
See below:

 

[dann]

Mark Carney Appoints Former Oil Executive As U.S. Diplomat (The Maple, July 14, 2026)
And advocacy group accused Susannah Pierce of being a "climate villain painting Big Oil green."

 

[dann]

Dick Zoutman on bsky, July 14, 2026
Carbon capture plan for oil sands is not what it appears.

Dick Zoutman on bsky, July 14, 2026
Alberta’s flagship carbon capture project (Pathways/Oil Sands Alliance) just had a quiet but massive walkback. 2021 pledge: 68 megatonnes/yr. Finalized May 2026 deal: just 16 megatonnes/yr.
That’s a 77% CUT.
Alberta's crown jewel of emissions reduction drops its target by 77% (The Narwhal)
The Oil Sands Alliance promised to eliminate 68 megatonnes of emissions each year.
Now that number has dropped to 16.

Dick Zoutman on bsky, July 14, 2026
Costs moved in the opposite direction.
Capital costs climbed from $16.5B to $20B+.
With ~30 yrs of operating costs, real lifetime cost is near $35B!
For only 10-12 megatonnes/yr captured!
$35 billion for 12 megatonnes of Carbon–Canada's indulgence economy is a terrible deal for taxpayers (The Hub, July 10, 2026)
Canada blew $35 billion to cut 12 megatonnes of carbon. That's roughly $3,000 per tonne. Is this the worst climate deal in history?

Dick Zoutman on bsky, July 14, 2026
The economics don’t work without heavy SUBSIDY. That WE pay for!
Project needs carbon price above $130/tonne; credits trade below $20/tonne. Ottawa is now proposing financing for operating costs too!
That means WE pay for this inefficient carbon capture project!!
Feds lower carbon capture project targets and offer new subsidies as costs double (National Observer, July 13, 2026)
Alberta’s gargantuan Pathways carbon capture and storage (CCS) complex — the world’s biggest such project under development — could cost more than twice the $16 billion original estimate and sequester only a fraction of the oilsands’ carbon pollution initially promised — even as it appears the federal government is open to providing it with additional subsidies.

More posts in the thread!

 

[dann]

molly taft on bsky, July 16, 2026
i talked to several pollution + health experts about the wildfire smoke blanketing much of the northeast right now, and everyone agreed that even able-bodied adults may want to take some precautions today!!
How to Protect Your Health as Skies Fill with Smoke from Canada's Wildfires (Wired, July 15, 2026
Roughly 100 fires are raging out of control in Ontario, sending smoke streaming 1,000 miles to the south and east.

 

[dann]

Serge Zaka on X, July 16, 2026
As of July 16 alone, 2026 already counts two of the most severe heatwaves ever observed since the start of measurements (circled in red). The size of the bubbles reflects their severity, defined here in a simplified way as the product of their intensity by their duration.
The July 2026 heatwave is the most intense ever observed in July. The June 2026 heatwave is the most intense ever observed in June. The May heatwave is the most intense ever observed in May.

 

[novaphile]

My solar panels used to generate water every night, they get cold, and water condenses from the air onto the cold panels.

Many farmers understand that, and have water collection tanks next to free standing metal roofs in their paddocks.

The roofs collect moisture from the air, and make it available for the stock via the tank supplying stock troughs.

In 'high-altitude deserts' vertical mesh panels are used to collect water vapour from the air, and channel it into tanks.

 

[Planigale]

My solar panels used to generate water every night, they get cold, and water condenses from the air onto the cold panels.

Many farmers understand that, and have water collection tanks next to free standing metal roofs in their paddocks.

The roofs collect moisture from the air, and make it available for the stock via the tank supplying stock troughs.

In 'high-altitude deserts' vertical mesh panels are used to collect water vapour from the air, and channel it into tanks.

Although not mentioned in the article my assumption was that they were also functioning as dew traps providing additional water locally.

 

[Stout]

I have a large metal roof and the amount of condensation it "traps" is minimal. One downspout drains onto a concrete pad and generates a wet spot that's about half a square meter in size while another, one that leads into a subsurface drain, audibly drips at a rate of one drip per second for about half a day. Maybe enough to keep a pot of geraniums alive.

Anyways

Here's some literature that actually talks about the water situation at Talatan.

The grass unexpectedly grows fast, and the water used for cleaning PV panels infiltrates beneath the ground, which also promotes the growth of grass.

Nothing said about dew, but hey, anything to keep the Sinoworship alive.

The German example is a no brainer, look at the greenery surrounding the solar park, Rain, they get lots of rain and using sheep to control it gives us nice fuzzy feelings as well as some nice fuzzy wool.

These farmers with their water collection tanks, they wouldn't happen to be primarily focussed on collecting rainwater would they?