novaphile
Quester of Doglets
Time left to prevent warming from being over 1.5°C.
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Time left to prevent warming from being over 1.5°C.
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Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
You know this is not the full picture. Why do you keep doing this?
Strange, because only a couple of pages back you were saying that only authoritarian regimes could push forward renewables. Which is it?
Wait, what? That was referring to large scale hydroelectric.
Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
What is there to say? Thanks for coming clean about how very much you're disgusted by caring.
Hitting those targets is going to do massive harm? Your arguments to that end have so far been contrived and pathetic. More akin to arguing against surgery in a hospital by talking about how bad stab wounds are than anything remotely reasonable.
Also, well... that government shift to adaptation and resilience? That's something of a red herring in the US. The parties that we have are starkly different when it comes to climate change, after all. The Republican Party pretty consistently acts to make it worse and encourage corruption all around at the behest of your beloved supply-side forces. The Democratic Party pushes for various action to limit the damage and prepare for the future. That very much includes various efforts at adaptation and resilience, though Republicans work to sabotage that, too. How much trust should anyone interested in making things better put in the arguments of saboteurs?
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Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
Some say that there's no dumb questions. Inane questions tend to make that less and less believable.
It means far less people actually "care" about climate change than you'd like to imagine.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
Firstly, once again, America is not the whole world.
Now, let's look at your response to the problem of global warming:
- CO2 emissions from the CoP meetings are a closely guarded secret.
- Only authoritarian regimes use hydroelectric power on a large scale.
- Canada is heavily reliant on fossil fuels.
- Attempts to reduce emissions are not working.
Then there's your ambivalence over whether or not individual action can help. You started by saying it could, then said that everyone living in developed countries was contributing to the problem, which must mean that nothing people in those countries are doing is having any effect. You want people to demand that their governments take action, but dismiss those demands as mere talking, and also dismiss the efforts of those governments as empty posturing.
I am left completely baffled as to what it is you would like to see happen, and how this can be achieved. In the meantime, I will continue to take action myself to reduce my carbon footprint (actions you have not once asked me about, by the way), as I await some kind of clarification from you. It would also be nice if you would stop handwaving away evidence, and base your conclusions on facts rather than feelings.
Hercules56
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It's true, we failed the world by electing him, for many reasons.
Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
Asking inane questions means that we may as well treat you as inane. Seriously, what nonsensical caricature are you actually trying to poke holes in, anyways? It sounds like you want to whine about some imaginary image that the US as a whole is made of climate saints, nevermind that the political class of the right-wing in the US, bought and paid for by those supply-siders that you defend, are possibly the most influentially and rabidly anti-climate action group in the world, overall. Yet you keep seeking to shift all responsibility and accountability away from the actual main culprits and those driving them.
Indeed, the US did fail both the US and the world by electing him, for many reasons. That doesn't make Stout's attempted comeback any less vapid.It's true, we failed the world by electing him, for many reasons.
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Jesus Murphy, I've had plates of spaghetti that are less convoluted that that post. But go ahead, continue to whinge about the supply side and ignore the fact that pretty much everybody loves and lives the glorious benefits of fossil fuels if it makes you feel better about loving and living the benefits.
Uh oh, looks like the climate clock needs an update.
www.bbc.com
Three years left to limit warming to 1.5C, top scientists warn
The Earth could be doomed to breach a key climate target in as little as three years, scientists warn.
www.bbc.com
Hope this doesn't spur on some sort of carbon tax, better fill up the yacht just to be on the safe side and if I go through 250 gallons this weekend, any resulting emissions aren't my fault, I'll just blame supply side and call it a day.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
Have you taken any steps yourself to reduce your use of fossil fuels?Uh oh, looks like the climate clock needs an update.
Three years left to limit warming to 1.5C, top scientists warn
The Earth could be doomed to breach a key climate target in as little as three years, scientists warn.
Hope this doesn't spur on some sort of carbon tax, better fill up the yacht just to be on the safe side and if I go through 250 gallons this weekend, any resulting emissions aren't my fault, I'll just blame supply side and call it a day.
Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
Yeah, treating your words as both inane and in no way actually interested in climate action seems to be well-founded. To listen to you, everyone who so much as claims to care at all is actually a horrible offender and hypocrite. Even if they could prove that they're not, that they live in the same country as any horrible offenders is enough to condemn them, under your logic.
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Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
In a different direction than usual for this thread -
Europe has installed so many renewable energy sources that it is now facing an unusual problem: electricity is too cheap.
Europe has installed so many renewable energy sources that it is now facing an unusual problem: electricity is too cheap.
Awwww, sounds like someone is a little peeved that the favored bitch about the supply side while sucking back lots of fossil fuels model is taking some kicks to the gonads. That argument does generate the Facebook asspats, I'll admit that.
It's that argument, the supply side argument, not my burn less fossil fuels one that's the inane one. I'll submit the miserable failure of "climate action" as evidence.
Maybe read up a little on the concept of climate justice.
It's that argument, the supply side argument, not my burn less fossil fuels one that's the inane one. I'll submit the miserable failure of "climate action" as evidence.
Maybe read up a little on the concept of climate justice.
Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
Bless your heart, you dear, dear soul.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
It takes a special kind of person to complain about good news.
Welcome to Australia. So much excess energy is being transferred from solar panels to electricity producers that it can’t be used during daylight hours. The miniscule feed in tariff (something like 3 cents per kilowatt hour) will soon disappear.
Meanwhile our city of Melbourne has just had its second hottest winter night in a row. At 8pm, it’s 18C. It rarely gets that hot at night in summer.
Yes I know weather is not climate, but enough extreme weather observations around the world is.
arthwollipot
Limerick Purist Pronouns: He/Him
On the other hand...
Canberra endures coldest run of nights in 60 years
Temperatures have plummeted to bone-chilling lows in Canberra over the past week, with the city just registering its coldest run of nights since 1965.
www.weatherzone.com.au