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Originally Posted by Jules Galen View Post
The AGW Hypothesis is dead in the eyes of the world.

Yknow Jules this is a science forum....you back up your hypothesis
...got any climate science to confirm that statement?

Got an explanation for the observed climate changes??

Perhaps start with the accelerating global ice mass loss.

Let us hear your science supported explanation...

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for this observed phenomena.

a bit further ahead...nope still heading down

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and that's not even including 2014 and 2015 + which are setting records

SO let's hear your explanation backed up by observation and science papers/
 
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The AGW Hypothesis is dead in the eyes of the world <non sequitur> No one is going to do anything serious about it..<non sequitur>..like actually demand that it be seriously studied and accurately reported <non sequitur> Much less do anything real to mitigate it (if it is actually happening, at all).

FTFY

You should take the "The AGW Hypothesis is dead in the eyes of the world" part and repeat it like a mantra with the hope that ritual will make your notion real. Like people inventing god every time they say the lord's prayer.

To make a comparison, you are just trying to sell the lack of a world government as the proof of the failure of the United Nations, and it's as simple as whenever you combine an absolute with wishful thinking you can develop a nice narrative that is completely divorced from reality.

You are in a site about scepticism, so try to disguise it a bit. Jabba's can't teach you how.
 
You are in a site about scepticism, so try to disguise it a bit. Jabba's can't teach you how.

Lol skepticism? Not when it comes to this subject. Which is also why its completely laughable to have a thread dedicated to science on it.

First, the whole subject has been politicized and of course you warmists are LOSING the public opinion BADLY!!!
Second, for every chart you put up, the opposition can put up another.
 
First, the whole subject has been politicized and of course you warmists are LOSING the public opinion BADLY!!!
wrong

Poll: Majority of Americans Believe in Climate Change—And ...
www.commondreams.org/.../[HILITE]2016[/HILITE]/.../poll-majority-americans-believe-cli...
A majority of Americans believe climate change is a serious problem and support government action to ... Wednesday, January 06, 2016. by ... A full 70 percent of respondents say the world is "undergoing a change leading to more extreme ...

even in dunderhead land.....

Two-Thirds of Americans Want U.S. to Join Climate Change Pact
By GIOVANNI RUSSONELLONOV. 30, 2015

A solid majority of Americans say the United States should join an international treaty to limit the impact of global warming, but on this and other climate-related questions, opinion divides sharply along partisan lines, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Two-thirds of Americans support the United States joining a binding international agreement to curb growth of greenhouse gas emissions, but a slim majority of Republicans remain opposed, the poll found. Sixty-three percent of Americans — including a bare majority of Republicans — said they would support domestic policy limiting carbon emissions from power plants.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/world/americas/us-climate-change-republicans-democrats.html?_r=0


Second, for every chart you put up, the opposition can put up another.
wishful thinking ...if there was one you'd already have put it up for target practice here as the deniosphere is shrinking just about as fast as the ice is disappearing.

Tell you what...find me a chart from a climate scientists that has data the opposite of this.

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Have you explained with supporting climate science papers an alternative reason for this observed ice decline???

This is a put up or shut up kinda forum ......so .....we'll wait.
 
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
And the Antarctic is growing.

That would be no.
Sea ice has been expanding......that has nothing to do with continental Antarctic mass loss other than it is a symptom of the mass loss ( accelerating glaciers into the sea amongst other factors )

Central Eastern Antarctica has indeed been gaining some mass... perhaps you can explain in your own words what is going on there when the continent is losing ice mass overall

( hint. It's a result of AGW). ...fancy that.
 
Lol skepticism? Not when it comes to this subject. Which is also why its completely laughable to have a thread dedicated to science on it.

First, the whole subject has been politicized and of course you warmists are LOSING the public opinion BADLY!!!
Second, for every chart you put up, the opposition can put up another.
It has been politicised by those who cannot otherwise respond to the science.
The counter arguments are often completely contradictory. It's warming : but it's not warming. For example. Which is it?
 
Lol skepticism? Not when it comes to this subject. Which is also why its completely laughable to have a thread dedicated to science on it.

First, the whole subject has been politicized and of course you warmists are LOSING the public opinion BADLY!!!
Second, for every chart you put up, the opposition can put up another.

The low quality brief op-eds completely devoid of science are from you and a few of your friends here. The high density of assertions of yours, the abuse of adjectives in them, and the total lack of figures or any science related bit give you totally away once and again.

It looks it's only you the person who won't realize that you made a foolish ambiguous assertion ("the Antarctic is growing"), you were replied with a question ("If that's true, why this year's was the sixth smaller minimum in 37 years of record?") which you dodged, just to retake your empty talk, like the post I'm am replying to.

This is a site about scepticism. You are clearly not a sceptic. This is a sub-forum about science. You won't know what it is about. And this is the thread about the unmistakeably anthropogenic global warming.
 
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It looks it's only you the person who won't realize that you made a foolish ambiguous assertion ("the Antarctic is growing"), you were replied with a question ("If that's true, why this year's was the sixth smaller minimum in 37 years of record?") which you dodged, just to retake your empty talk, like the post I'm am replying to.
This error of logger's taken alongside his belief that public opinion is very much like his own indicates that he lives a very cloistered existence. He heard about Antarctic winter sea-ice when it was high, and a popular subject of conversation, but nothing of it when it was low, so the original idea remains in his head.
 
The low quality brief op-eds completely devoid of science are from you and a few of your friends here. The high density of assertions of yours, the abuse of adjectives in them, and the total lack of figures or any science related bit give you totally away once and again.

Give me away? Lol
You caught me, so I'll be honest :rolleyes:
I don't believe the crap you're spreading. How's that for giving myself away. :)
It looks it's only you the person who won't realize that you made a foolish ambiguous assertion ("the Antarctic is growing"), you were replied with a question ("If that's true, why this year's was the sixth smaller minimum in 37 years of record?") which you dodged, just to retake your empty talk, like the post I'm am replying to.
I didn't make it up, there's plenty of articles discussing it. Plenty of articles saying its not, and plenty of articles saying is growing but getting thinner. I didn't reply to your question because you'd rather insult, I'm fine with that too but your buddies on here would rather give me yellow cards instead of you.
As to your question, 37 years is nothing, bit of a joke that you'd bring it up. ;)
This is a site about scepticism. You are clearly not a sceptic. This is a sub-forum about science. You won't know what it is about. And this is the thread about the unmistakeably anthropogenic global warming.

Actually I'm quite skeptical of both sides. You on the other hand seem to be completely "bought in" on the hoax.
 
This error of logger's taken alongside his belief that public opinion is very much like his own indicates that he lives a very cloistered existence. He heard about Antarctic winter sea-ice when it was high, and a popular subject of conversation, but nothing of it when it was low, so the original idea remains in his head.

I know you want to get into some kind of argument about this, but any Google search will tell you most are divided on this issue. Interesting that you would admit the Antarctic has been high and low, seems to be where everyone is.

The only thing that remains in my head is the science is clearly not settled. your side likes to make leaps and guesses, my side likes to ignore certain facts.

One fact is clear, the snark that drips from this site and this thread specifically is not going to change anyone's mind. People simply don't trust the kind of science or scientist that post on here. ;)
 
This is a science forum ....all you've done is mouth off without one shred of supporting climate science. You've been asked direct questions .....yet ignore them
.....you are uncomfortable with a fact based discussion is obvious

Explain these observations- with supporting references or ...well you know the alternative...move on

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but any Google search will tell you most are divided on this issue.

Only if you are gullible and poorly educated.

Relying on Google searches to educate yourself is the heart of the problem for you. What's wrong with getting your information from sources like the institutes of higher education and all the world's academies of science as well as the scientists that work in the field?

You have not yet learned about how science works, what the scientific method is and why globally peer-reviewed science shows a 97% plus consensus about the science of AGW.

It's so sad to see that you would form your opinions based on Google searches! Would you bet your life on what you hear the average person claim?

Here is a great Google source on how to tell time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn2UCqL5qyo

Do you understand ascension mechanics???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ-ZaU6FHNw

How about chemtrails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcZaJEMsSwM

How about controlling the weather with Haarp??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O14Y7ajI8wg

Or Niburu Planet X - apparently it' still coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tiyl9v-NcY


Gee logger you got yer education from Google searches and you can't tell the difference between B.S. and science.

Go ahead, you can post it here " who can really say what is real??????"

Suspicious Observers anyone? : )
 
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How about you look at the posts about the RSS data on the site you posted and then listen to what Dr Carl Mears, the scientist in charge of the RSS data has to say. He says that we should look at ALL the data sets and that the RSS data is being misrepresented by deniers. The 2016 RSS temperature records have skyrocketed so much since this interview was recorded that the graph Ted Cruz used would now show a huge spike in warming and yet "notalotofpeopleknowthat" is still posting old debunked news this month?

http://climatecrocks.com/2016/01/24/scientist-how-senator-cruz-misused-my-data/

A lot of money has been spent to lead people astray and you are one of the vicitms.

http://www.merchantsofdoubt.org/
 
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The National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine

http://dels.nas.edu/global/About-Us

The National Academy of Sciences is a non-governmental, non-profit organization chartered by the US Congress in 1863 at the request of President Lincoln. The Academy has two missions: to honor the nation’s top scientists, engineers, and health professionals with membership, and to serve the nation with independent, expert advice.
The Division on Earth & Life Studies is one of six subject area divisions that enlist the nation's top experts to respond to requests for advice from the Federal Government, states, and some foundations.

The division has 13 program units (boards) that undertake a wide-range of activities, including convening experts to share their individual views in meetings and workshops. However, it is the Academy’s reports that represent the most authoritative source of scientific and technical information for the nation. The division produces about 60-70 of these reports each year.

About our Expert Reports

National Research Council reports are unique, authoritative expert evaluations. Each report is produced by a committee of experts selected by the Academy to address a particular statement of task. Committees are balanced to represent various points of view, and committee members are screened for conflict of interest. Committee members serve without pay and deliberate free of outside influence.

Efforts are made to engage the public early on in studies so that all viewpoints are made known to the committee. Watch this website for information about public meetings.

And then there is

Not a lot of people know about that - which logger bases his knowledge on

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/about/

"About"
"Bringing some sanity to the Climate Change debate."

Well logger you sure know how to pick them!
 
I didn't make it up, there's plenty of articles discussing it. Plenty of articles saying its not, and plenty of articles saying is growing but getting thinner-

Peer reviewed literature written by Godot, I assume (because you talk and talk and talk, but they never are linked here).

Of course, you can link here to "articles" written by other loggers, whether they are blog posts or "columns" in NRA-like denial-advocacy sites, but, you know, self referencing is not proof of anything: you are simply saying "people is talking about 'Antarctica is growing' " -whatever that means, even the closing of the Drake and a paved route from Ushuahia to the South Pole.

I didn't reply to your question because you'd rather insult, I'm fine with that too but your buddies on here would rather give me yellow cards instead of you.
As to your question, 37 years is nothing, bit of a joke that you'd bring it up. ;)

I don't doubt you feel insulted; as insulted as the kiddo that has been just told that Santa doesn't exist.

The matter remains your epistemological hedonism is your problem, and only yours. On the specific subject of "the Antarctic is growing (SIC)", you conveniently kept yourself hidden in the dark when we discussed it here, weeks, months and a few years ago. As for the most recent, you willingly ignored it when I told how the Australian official site had been hacked/had a glitch and informed a growing of one million square kilometres in Antarctic sea ice in 24 hours, what conveniently got it into a "record high" that was instantly exploited by a constellation of denialist blogs and facebook pages. The next day, when the data were corrected and it bounced back to be a "nearly record low", those sites ignored it. That's how epistemological hedonism works. Of course, your epistemological hedonism makes the memory persist and that's how you're here now, debating it with the big boys, on an equal footing :rolleyes: (isn't epistemological hedonism wonderful? it allows you to both believe AGW doesn't exist and you are capable to converse about it, all for the same price).

And about the same bit you willingly ignored, that's why you can't reply about the last 37 year record: you can't match the story you decided to adopt with the record, so you either ignore it or move to the next step: all records are concocted (that is, the path of epistemological hedonism on steroids, but, why won't you raise your bet? if it wasn't work before, it won't work in the future, but you can always believe it works).

Actually I'm quite skeptical of both sides. You on the other hand seem to be completely "bought in" on the hoax.

Your modus operandi is applying your wishful thinking to anything, so I'm not particularly concerned that you apply it to me, so both Santa Claus exists and I "bought it on the hoax", reindeers and all, whatever you need to believe to keep the play running.

If you are unable to understand such simple things and grow, maybe you can perceive you're making a fool of yourself.
 
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