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Giuliani & "the Big Mo"

So, Rudy only did his job on 9/11? Please show me another mayor that did the same.

Its an unprecedented situation we are refering to. Even if he "only did his job", he did it exceptionally.
 
Donal said:
So, Rudy only did his job on 9/11? Please show me another mayor that did the same.

Its an unprecedented situation we are refering to. Even if he "only did his job", he did it exceptionally.
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How was he exceptional? I'm a life-long New Yorker. I saw nothing exceptional.
 
Dr Adequate said:
So perhaps a candidate who actually does his job is not such a bad idea.
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You make a good point, especially considering how awful a president our current president is. But, on the other hand, even if one considers Rudy a competent mayor, would that make him a good president?
 
Dr Adequate said:
Even that, it seems, is not always necessary:

But when George ... went to Andover his teachers discovered he could not spell, Lutz reports. At Yale, one theory holds that W. was the model for Bluto, the hard-drinking, Jell-O-spewing DKE frat boy. Lutz notes that W. was a proud DKE member. At Harvard Business School, economics professor Yoshi Tsurumi told Lutz that W. was "lazy. He didn't come to my class prepared. He did very badly" ...

When his father was elected as vice president, W. got millions to invest (and lose) in the Texas oil game. By 1986, he was $3.1 million in debt...

When he was elected governor of Texas, the workday ended before lunch ...

Presidents Clinton and Carter averaged less than three weeks a year away from the Oval office. Lutz says that Bush has averaged 19 weeks of vacation a year ... *

So perhaps a candidate who actually does his job is not such a bad idea.
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So what you are saying is you feel disappointment that President Bush isn't spending more time in the office?
 
Mephisto said:
Sacred to whom? I think the artists were making a perfectly valid point in a country that supposedly values freedom of speech and expression. If we can fund the rebuilding of Iraq, we can certainly fund controversial art.

Again, we should at least be happy enough that our society doesn't allow us to riot over a cartoon. :)
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I don't think we should censor that kind of art. But why should we fund it?
 
The attraction of Giuliani getting the nod over McCain is that he's more likely to cause a fundie meltdown, and thus big fun in the primaries and general election. The fundies have their own litmus tests and they don't take well to either McCain or Giuliani, but they'd be a little tougher on Giuliani. IMHO, either one of them as the prime candidate going into early '08, and we'll get another Buchanan or Robertson (or the actual Buchanan or Robertson) running for the party nod, and then posssibly even contninuing with another 3rd party candidacy.
This is the only thing that could get Obama or Hillary elected, so the Dems are probably going to be pulling for Rudy in a big way, at least early on, so that they can get a heavyweight fundie/conservative in their to turn the Republican primaries into a pooh-slinging fiesta.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Even that, it seems, is not always necessary:

But when George ... went to Andover his teachers discovered he could not spell, Lutz reports. At Yale, one theory holds that W. was the model for Bluto, the hard-drinking, Jell-O-spewing DKE frat boy. Lutz notes that W. was a proud DKE member. At Harvard Business School, economics professor Yoshi Tsurumi told Lutz that W. was "lazy. He didn't come to my class prepared. He did very badly" ...

When his father was elected as vice president, W. got millions to invest (and lose) in the Texas oil game. By 1986, he was $3.1 million in debt...

When he was elected governor of Texas, the workday ended before lunch ...

Presidents Clinton and Carter averaged less than three weeks a year away from the Oval office. Lutz says that Bush has averaged 19 weeks of vacation a year ... *

So perhaps a candidate who actually does his job is not such a bad idea.
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I've also read a lot about Dubya's college days and he definitely wasn't scholastically impressive. He also wasn't an impressive athelete (something he wanted because of the popularity that college football players somehow glean) so he became the next best thing; a cheerleader.

I do, however, have mixed feelings about the length and frequency of his "vacations," since he could undoubtedly do even MORE damage by spending more time "thinking."

Guiliani would undoubtedly spend a fair share of his time in the Oval Office working, but it would be toward making the U.S. the best candidate for Vatican II.

The only thing good I could see that might possibly come out of Guiliani becoming president would be the adoption of national school uniforms (gotta love Catholic-girl school uniforms), minus the patent leather shoes, of course. ;)
 
Donal said:
So, Rudy only did his job on 9/11? Please show me another mayor that did the same.

Its an unprecedented situation we are refering to. Even if he "only did his job", he did it exceptionally.
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The mayor of my home town did his job quite adequately on 9/11. I'm sure mayors all over America did their jobs quite well on that day too. The fact remains that only ONE mayor had the opportunity to gain popularity through all the photo ops, and as our illustrious President found out - posing with a yellow hard-hat while looking concerned and determined only gets you so far.
 
Alt+F4 said:
You make a good point, especially considering how awful a president our current president is. But, on the other hand, even if one considers Rudy a competent mayor, would that make him a good president?
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We're trying to find his level of incompetancy - President Bush is an exception to the Peter Principle. He got a lot further than he should have, but then his Daddy was an incompetant President too.

I don't know why ANYONE expected any better.
 
peptoabysmal said:
I don't think we should censor that kind of art. But why should we fund it?
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I'm not saying we should, but then that's up to the committees who determine what artist is eligible for grants or other government funds. Once the artist is agreed upon by whomever delves out the cash, I don't think it's anything BUT censorship to tell them what or how to create their art.

If an artist's work is controversial or confrontational to begin with, one might assume that he could be consistent after receiving governmental support.
 
Presidents Clinton and Carter averaged less than three weeks a year away from the Oval office.
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If only Carter would have spent more time away the country would have been better.
 
Foolmewunz said:
The attraction of Giuliani getting the nod over McCain is that he's more likely to cause a fundie meltdown, and thus big fun in the primaries and general election. The fundies have their own litmus tests and they don't take well to either McCain or Giuliani, but they'd be a little tougher on Giuliani. IMHO, either one of them as the prime candidate going into early '08, and we'll get another Buchanan or Robertson (or the actual Buchanan or Robertson) running for the party nod, and then posssibly even contninuing with another 3rd party candidacy.
This is the only thing that could get Obama or Hillary elected, so the Dems are probably going to be pulling for Rudy in a big way, at least early on, so that they can get a heavyweight fundie/conservative in their to turn the Republican primaries into a pooh-slinging fiesta.
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One can only hope that you're right. ;)
 
steverino said:
So what you are saying is you feel disappointment that President Bush isn't spending more time in the office?
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Definitely not - but I do feel disappointment that he's not vacationing with Cheney and the rest of his cronies. :)
 
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