You are confusing witness testimony ("I saw that man running down the street") with victim testimony ("I know that man, and he assaulted me."). Do you claim that the numerous women who say Epstein and Maxwell assaulted them are mistaken, or lying, or what?
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You are confusing witness testimony ("I saw that man running down the street") with victim testimony ("I know that man, and he assaulted me."). Do you claim that the numerous women who say Epstein and Maxwell assaulted them are mistaken, or lying, or what?
timhau
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This. All there in two sentences.
Filippo Lippi
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More simply
She has form
She has form
smartcooky
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Did it occur to you that this wealth they know about, they had to investigate her finances to find it? She did not reveal where it was or how wealthy she was. There is no guarantee that they have found all of it.
In any case, even there is a remote chance they have found all of it, she has friends and people who are well motivated to not have her brought to trial. They would whisk her away to France in a heartbeat.
Eye witness evidence given by strangers, e.g., someone who witnessed a murder or an armed robbery, or who was even raped by a stranger, can be erroneous, but that isn't what we are talking about here. These witnesses were raped and trafficked to Epstein by someone they knew, and someone whose face was well known in the circles they operated in.
This is just one of over a dozen witnesses
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/woman-c...es-willing-to-testify-just-as-evil-as-epstein
A woman who claims Ghislaine Maxwell raped her dozens of times – beginning when she was just 14 years old – says she is willing to take the stand and testify against Jeffrey Epstein’s ex-girlfriend.
In an exclusive interview with Fox News, Jane Doe, who wishes to protect her identity, said Maxwell sexually abused her beginning in 1991 in Florida. She said the abuse continued until she was 16.
Maxwell was arrested Thursday on federal charges for facilitating and participating in sexual abuse acts with minors,
“She did rape me. I would say it’s more than 20 or 30 times,” she said. “She is just as evil as Jeffrey Epstein … She is a rapist.”
In an exclusive interview with Fox News, Jane Doe, who wishes to protect her identity, said Maxwell sexually abused her beginning in 1991 in Florida. She said the abuse continued until she was 16.
Maxwell was arrested Thursday on federal charges for facilitating and participating in sexual abuse acts with minors,
“She did rape me. I would say it’s more than 20 or 30 times,” she said. “She is just as evil as Jeffrey Epstein … She is a rapist.”
There is ZERO chance of mistaken identity in this case.
Do you understand what a Federal Grand Jury is... you know, the court body that indicted her based on evidence presented against her?
Not always. Bail can be denied for a number of reasons (see 18 USC § 3142)
1. The suspect is a danger to the public
2. The suspect is a flight risk
3. To keep the suspect from harm by others
4. To keep the suspect from self harm
Maxwell ticks all four boxes
Serial rapists are often refused bail, and Maxwell is one of them.
LOL. I wondered when someone might try to play the anti-Semitism card.
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As U.S. investigators would have limited, if any, access to foreign accounts, it's highly unlikely that they found all of it.
The highlighted? It's not her ethnicity, it's the fact that she's demonstrated attempts to evade justice and hide her wealth, much of which was due to her father's embezzlement anyway.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Indeed. Swiss Bank accounts aren't just a spy/crime novel trope, they are an actual thing - I have one, and I am pretty sure Maxwell will have one.
And here is the thing that Planigale fails to understand. Even if the US government could freeze/monitor her assets and bank accounts in the US, they have no control over her foreign assets - Swiss banks, for example, are notorious for their refusal to co-operate with governments the world over. Maxwell could easily hire someone to smuggle her out of the US, and pay them using a foreign account.
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Reading this and your further posts, you appear to be wrong about nearly every aspect of this case. Mistaken identity of eye-witnesses who were actually raped by the person in broad daylight over a period of years? Anti-semitism? "Guilt by association" - WTF??? Unfamiliarity with the grand jury system? Unaware that she has literally millions and 3 passports? My question is - are you simply ignorant of the facts, or are you dishonestly pushing an agenda here for some reason?
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theprestige
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The big risk of playing Devil's Advocate is that sometimes you're actually advocating for the Devil.
May I suggest you look up false memory syndrome, satantic / ritual abuse, even Carl Beech if you are going to give such weight to remembered abuse.
Maxwell is a not a danger to others she is not an alleged terrorist. Even if guilty the crimes she committed were within a very restricted situation that is not available to her now. If she had wished to leave US jurisdiction and go to France she had years in which to do so; the fact she remained in the US argues against her being a flight risk. I think there are better places to protect someone from harm and self harm than prison. US prisons do not have a great safety record!
Belz...
Fiend God
That's a completely different thing. You are comparing victims coming forward to point to their abusers with children being coaxed by their parents and therapists to uncover outlandish conspiracies.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
She went to great lengths to evade law enforcement for almost a year, including buying a million-dollar country estate for cash through a shell company. She made a decision that she would be more likely to be caught if she fled rather than hid. If she had turned herself in at the beginning, she would almost certainly have gotten bail.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...o-evade-capture-for-nearly-a-year/ar-BB16gRr7
She is facing decades in prison. There's no reason to think she won't flee if she can, or off herself if she has to. Either would deprive her victims of justice.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Oh, angels and ministers of grace defend us!!! Seriously? That's what you are going with? ALL four of the victims over a period 1994 to 1997 and 2001 to 2004 have false memories, ALL of them? Really?
Here is a present for you
What a load of utter bollocks! You don't have to be a terrorist to be a danger to others. Being a serial sex offender will do nicely!
And she has done exactly that on a number of occasions, especially when US authorities have tried to serve her with subpoenas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell#Attempts_to_locate_Maxwell_to_serve_court_documents
"On 27 December 2019, Reuters reported that Maxwell was among those under FBI investigation for facilitating Epstein"
"Maxwell has a history of being unreachable during legal proceedings. During the lawsuit filed in 2017 from Ransome against Maxwell, District Judge John G. Koeltl granted a motion for "alternative service" on the grounds that the plaintiff's efforts to reach Maxwell were persistently thwarted;
Has it occurred to you that maybe she didn't leave because her privilege and entitlement led her to believe she was untouchable?
Another load of utter bollocks. FFS, she was a fugitive when they caught her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell#Attempts_to_locate_Maxwell_to_serve_court_documents
"In January 2020, it was reported that Maxwell had refused to allow her lawyers to be served with several lawsuits in which she has been directly named in 2019 and 2020"
...and when they came to get her in her $1m NH mansion (which she paid for in cash!!!) she tried to escape...
https://www.insider.com/ghislaine-maxwell-tried-run-away-fbi-arrest-her-2020-7
...Maxwell attempted to flee FBI agents who arrived at her estate on July 2.
"As the agents approached the front door to the main house they announced themselves as FBI agents and directed the defendant to open the door," prosecutors wrote in a filing Monday. "Through a window, the agents saw the defendant ignore the direction to open the door and, instead, try to flee to another room in the house, quickly shutting another door behind her."
"Agents were ultimately forced to breach the door"
When [those] agents searched the New Hampshire home where Maxwell had been living, they found a cellphone that was wrapped in tin foil, prosecutors wrote.
They called it a "seemingly misguided effort" to evade detection by police.
A security guard on the property also told agents that Maxwell's brother hired a private firm staffed with former British military members to guard the home.
"As these facts make plain, there should be no question that the defendant is skilled at living in hiding," prosecutors said.
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The discussion was that for some undisclosed by you reason the existence of eye witness testimony in and of itself justified detention pre-trial. You have failed to explain why eye witness testimony, which I pointed out is not good quality evidence (as opposed to e.g. a video record of the assault), justifies detention. all persons charged with a crime will have evidence against them, that does not justify detention. It is clear the threshold for detention pre-trial in the US is low, perhaps this is why?
You are entitled to think her guilty pre-trial, but the legal system is not. Pre judging guilt is not part of the process for pre-trial detention. I am not arguing that she is guilty or innocent, I suspect she probably is guilty. But even guilty people are entitled to due process and humanity. You are entitled to the view that she deserves all she gets, but that is not how the legal system works. I believe that her detention in inhumane circumstances is a ploy by the prosecutors to force a plea deal because they do not have a good case. I think that adding extra charges to delay the trial is part of this process.
You accept that she did not attempt to leave the US on the one hand, when it was legal for her to do so, but then on the other hand claim it would be easy for her to do so now that her finances have been locked and she would be tagged, supervised, and it would be illegal to do so, and she has given up her French citizenship so the alleged intent to run to France where extradition would be difficult is no longer true.
I think you will find many wealthy people hold property through 'shell' companies. Wealth management is not evidence of criminal activity.
Given the tendency of people to be shot by the US police, I am not sure that retreating out of the line of fire is unreasonable nor evidence of flight, it is not suggested she climbed out of the window and did a runner! She remained in the house. There is no suggestion she had a false id, underwent plastic surgery, etc. All things she could have done if she was genuinely trying to hide. She just lived quietly with her husband in the US.
Many of the attempts to deliver court documents are related to civil actions. There is no obligation to make oneself easily accessible to court servers.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
And the authorities are correct in thinking she's a flight risk. She has form.
I find your comment disgraceful.
However Planigale is well able to defend herself against uncritical nonsense.
Belz...
Fiend God
What's uncritical about it? You just made that statement without qualification.
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
Another apologist for criminals!