Getaway driver arrested for murder.

Not having a gun, imho, means little with regards to whether or not they intend to cause harm. They may not have had access to a gun, for one. Knife crime is significantly worse than gun crime in many places, especially the UK. People can get hold of guns pretty easily here, if they have money and know who to ask, and yet knife crime is the preferred method in a lot of cases.

I've searched many people and found things like lock-knives, butterfly-knives, plastic knives which are undetectable and thus highly illegal, and they're all things which you have to assume are intended to cause harm. You simply cannot make the conclusion that they were merely intended to scare an individual.

Just recall what those disaffected youths did with knives and boxcutters on a certain September 11.
 
I have given him the benefit of a doubt. Police haven't found he did anything wrong.

And I would give you the benefit of the doubt if I had any reason to believe that earned it. Most of your posts in this thread have been highly critical of the shooter's motivations and actions without very little evidence to support your theories. At the same time you have time and again given that benefit of the doubt to the four criminals in various ways.

Some of the posters who have been explaining it to you have been unjustifiably accused by you, also without evidence, of inappropriate responses for which you have not even acknowledged that your were even slightly out of line let alone apologized for.
 
The people saying brass knuckles are illegal must be Brits. You can buy them in the US no questions asked over the internet.

But they are illegal to "carry" in Oklahoma.

At home on your desk, not illegal. In your pocket while walking down the street, illegal.
 
But they are illegal to "carry" in Oklahoma.

At home on your desk, not illegal. In your pocket while walking down the street, illegal.

Same here. If you had them at home, and they were found by police, they'd likely be removed. If you're caught carrying them, you're in trouble. Same with certain knives and batons. Some are legal to own for display purposes, most are not legal to own, full-stop.
 
I suppose that's true. I can't imagine mine is one of them. You don't even need a permit to carry a loaded gun here (Arizona).

Open carry too. Which of course means "Here, steal this gun," or "Hey, shoot me first."


This is Why You MUST Have Retention on an Openly Carried Firearm
 
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And I would give you the benefit of the doubt if I had any reason to believe that earned it. Most of your posts in this thread have been highly critical of the shooter's motivations and actions without very little evidence to support your theories. At the same time you have time and again given that benefit of the doubt to the four criminals in various ways.

Some of the posters who have been explaining it to you have been unjustifiably accused by you, also without evidence, of inappropriate responses for which you have not even acknowledged that your were even slightly out of line let alone apologized for.


I stand 100% behind everything I say.


Until the full details come out in court I stand by my view it is a great shame these three teens were shot dead for their stupidity. R.I.P.

They have family (Mom and Dad and siblings) and friends and I am inclined to believe they were tearaways rather than hardened criminals.


Do you believe I should not be allowed to have that view and that I should be forced to say,'Good riddance creeps!'?
 
They have family (Mom and Dad and siblings) and friends and I am inclined to believe they were tearaways rather than hardened criminals.
These four broke into the house, then came back after having a think about it. The surviving perp said they'd done other home invasions and carjackings. They are not as you describe.

The getaway driver also said they knew what they were doing and were aware of the consequences.
 
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Open carry too. Which of course means "Here, steal this gun," or "Hey, shoot me first."


This is Why You MUST Have Retention on an Openly Carried Firearm

Never seen anyone carry a gun in their back pocket though have seen plenty with a hostler.
 
Gilbert Syndrome, are they only an offensive weapon if taken out in public? (- Referring to knuckle dusters, or, as they say in Glasgow, 'a knuckle sandwich').

They're always potentially offensive weapons, but if they're at home inside a glass cabinet, they're less likely to be used to cause such offense, whereas if they're in someone's pocket, you have to assume they're being intended for use.
 
Never seen anyone carry a gun in their back pocket though have seen plenty with a hostler.

Yeah, but even retention in a holster becomes problematic when the perp puts a gun to your head from behind.
 
I stand 100% behind everything I say.


Until the full details come out in court I stand by my view it is a great shame these three teens were shot dead for their stupidity. R.I.P.

They have family (Mom and Dad and siblings) and friends and I am inclined to believe they were tearaways rather than hardened criminals.


Do you believe I should not be allowed to have that view and that I should be forced to say,'Good riddance creeps!'?

We all have our own opinions on these matters, and they're all valid.

Imho, if you're breaking into someones home with or without a weapon, with the intent of stealing or worse, then you're throwing your rights away, and I for one would attempt to kill them myself, never mind be glad of hearing about such people being killed. I have no remorse and no sympathy for such stupidity and carelessness.
 
They're always potentially offensive weapons, but if they're at home inside a glass cabinet, they're less likely to be used to cause such offense, whereas if they're in someone's pocket, you have to assume they're being intended for use.

Especially when carried while committing violent crimes.
 
I stand 100% behind everything I say.


Until the full details come out in court I stand by my view it is a great shame these three teens were shot dead for their stupidity. R.I.P.

They have family (Mom and Dad and siblings) and friends and I am inclined to believe they were tearaways rather than hardened criminals.


Do you believe I should not be allowed to have that view and that I should be forced to say,'Good riddance creeps!'?

You can have just about whatever view you want, as can everyone else. You can't have your own facts, though.

It seems very unlikely to be their first day of robbing their neighbors, despite the claims of relatives about how good they were and that they shouldn't have been shot, etc.
 

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