Germany had the atomic bomb first

[JFrankA]

As is said earlier in this thread Hitler inferred he had such a weapon to his troops when he made the statement: "God forgive me for the last five minutes of the war."

That's an inference that he has an atomic bomb?

...to me, that's an inference from Hitler saying that he's sorry he lost the war and shot himself.

According to the documentary Hitler indicated to Mussolini he had a weapon that could change the outcome of the war and Mussolini relayed this in a speech he gave to his supporters in northern Italy.

And according to Col. Klink, no one has ever escaped from Stalag Thirteen!

 

[Sledge]

As is said earlier in this thread Hitler inferred he had such a weapon to his troops when he made the statement: "God forgive me for the last five minutes of the war."

According to the documentary Hitler indicated to Mussolini he had a weapon that could change the outcome of the war and Mussolini relayed this in a speech he gave to his supporters in northern Italy.

So why didn't he use it?

 

[Moss]

As is said earlier in this thread Hitler inferred he had such a weapon to his troops when he made the statement: "God forgive me for the last five minutes of the war."

You never thought that that statement meant that he rued his decision of declaring some cities as fortresses (effectively ordering the troops to make a Last Stand) or killing off not only the youths of Germany but also the Children and old men?

 

[theprestige]

I can see it now. "God forgive me for the last five pages of the thread" (translation: MaGZ has a nuclear weapon).

 

[Simon39759]

Originally Posted by MaGZ
As is said earlier in this thread Hitler inferred he had such a weapon to his troops when he made the statement: "God forgive me for the last five minutes of the war."

You never thought that that statement meant that he rued his decision of declaring some cities as fortresses (effectively ordering the troops to make a Last Stand) or killing off not only the youths of Germany but also the Children and old men?

An actual confirmation that the quote is genuine would actually be nice. As far as google is concerned, MagZ is the first person to type these words together...

 

[VonKleist]

An actual confirmation that the quote is genuine would actually be nice. As far as google is concerned, MagZ is the first person to type these words together...

The quote appears to exist only in that documentary. Personally I think there is some confusion here, and the actual quote was uttered when Hitler was handing out medals to children in Berlin:

'May god forgive me for the last 5 years of the war, any of you could have done a better job.'

 

[Moss]

An actual confirmation that the quote is genuine would actually be nice. As far as google is concerned, MagZ is the first person to type these words together...

I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Chaos]

An actual confirmation that the quote is genuine would actually be nice. As far as google is concerned, MagZ is the first person to type these words together...

Just ran a quick Google search for the German version. No hits.

 

[Laton]

So why didn't he use it?

My bet is we're heading for something like this:

Hitler had the bomb but didn't use it.

The Americans used two.

Therefore: Hitler was morally superior to the US and so we can infer the the Holocaust never happened.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

My bet is we're heading for something like this:

Hitler had the bomb but didn't use it.

The Americans used two.

Therefore: Hitler was morally superior to the US and so we can infer the the Holocaust never happened.

I think you are spot on. I will keep my eyes open to see if anyone makes this claim on any of the "Holocaust Denial" forums.

 

[KingMerv00]

As is said earlier in this thread Hitler inferred he had such a weapon to his troops when he made the statement: "God forgive me for the last five minutes of the war."

According to the documentary Hitler indicated to Mussolini he had a weapon that could change the outcome of the war and Mussolini relayed this in a speech he gave to his supporters in northern Italy.

That's not an announcement. THIS is an announcement:



Note that there were cameras at the test site and press was informed of the explosion. Hitler didn't do that.

 

[Mojo]

As is said earlier in this thread Hitler inferred he had such a weapon to his troops when he made the statement: "God forgive me for the last five minutes of the war."

That statement doesn't imply that he had an atom bomb. It could mean anything.

I think someone else has inferred that Hitler meant that he had an atom bomb. However, this does not appear to be a valid inference.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Lost Nazi nuke-project uranium found in Dutch scrapyard

EU nuke boffins say that mysterious bits of uranium found last year in a Dutch scrapyard originated in the Nazi nuclear-weapons programme of the 1940s.

Forensic nuke scientists at the European Commission's Joint Research Centre (JRC) traced the two pieces of metal - described as a cube and a plate - back to their exact origins and dates. Apparently both came from ores extracted at the "Joachimsthal" mine in what is now the Czech Republic, though the two are from different production batches.

The rest

 

[zooterkin]

Lost Nazi nuke-project uranium found in Dutch scrapyard

EU nuke boffins say that mysterious bits of uranium found last year in a Dutch scrapyard originated in the Nazi nuclear-weapons programme of the 1940s.

Forensic nuke scientists at the European Commission's Joint Research Centre (JRC) traced the two pieces of metal - described as a cube and a plate - back to their exact origins and dates. Apparently both came from ores extracted at the "Joachimsthal" mine in what is now the Czech Republic, though the two are from different production batches.

The rest

Interesting! And lest mAgZ think this in some way backs his unfounded claims:

Most historical analysis, with hindsight, suggests that the Nazi nuclear research programme never got very close to developing an atomic weapon. There was no equivalent of the Manhattan Project; rather, different lines of research were followed in different labs. Furthermore the Germans were hampered by having driven many top physicists out of the country with their anti-Semitic policies, and also by drafting other boffins into the army to fight as ordinary soldiers.

Not content with that, the Nazi leadership also chose to clash with the few top brains they had left. At one point Reichsfuhrer Himmler suggested that Heisenberg should be treated as a "White Jew", with presumably fatal consequences. Himmler later changed his mind, but this climate can hardly have encouraged Heisenberg to do his best work.

Also (I'm wary of quoting too much from one source) some quotes from Heisenberg confirming that they didn't get close to a nuclear bomb at all.

 

[dudalb]

So he didn't announce it, he just "inferred" it.
Wonderful news...so how'd that turn out?

MaGZ is doing a great job at making Hitler look exceedingly stupid.

To swipe and parapharase a line from "The Producers" : "He did'tn need MaGZ's help to do that".

 

[shadron]

Note that there were cameras at the test site and press was informed of the explosion. Hitler didn't do that.

Press was informed? I sort-a doubt it. The Army had still and film photogs on the site, yes. There was a cover story invented about a pair of bombers having a mid-air that was floated around the NM newspapers. I think Groves would have passed a brick at the suggestion of having the press there.

Perhaps you mean a month later, after dropping on Japan.

 

[shadron]

Lost Nazi nuke-project uranium found in Dutch scrapyard

EU nuke boffins say that mysterious bits of uranium found last year in a Dutch scrapyard originated in the Nazi nuclear-weapons programme of the 1940s.

Forensic nuke scientists at the European Commission's Joint Research Centre (JRC) traced the two pieces of metal - described as a cube and a plate - back to their exact origins and dates. Apparently both came from ores extracted at the "Joachimsthal" mine in what is now the Czech Republic, though the two are from different production batches.

The rest

The cube was no doubt a reactor fuel "pellet". The heavy water reactor that Heisenberg built (that was not big enough to go critical) used cubes of uranium suspended on chains dipped into the D2O from above. I don't know what the plate might have been; probably part of some specific experiment).

The Alsos mission to recover all atomic technology and personnel in France and Germany did indeed intercept a portion of the Joachimsthal uranium ore in Holland. It was part of a shipment that was appropriated when the Nazis invaded Belgium. Most of it was captured unrefined, still as ore.

 

[dtugg]

Press was informed? I sort-a doubt it. The Army had still and film photogs on the site, yes. There was a cover story invented about a pair of bombers having a mid-air that was floated around the NM newspapers. I think Groves would have passed a brick at the suggestion of having the press there.

Perhaps you mean a month later, after dropping on Japan.

Actually, there was a NY Times reporter at Trinity. He, of course, wasn't allowed to report anything until after the atomic bombings of Japan.

 

[KingMerv00]

Press was informed? I sort-a doubt it. The Army had still and film photogs on the site, yes. There was a cover story invented about a pair of bombers having a mid-air that was floated around the NM newspapers. I think Groves would have passed a brick at the suggestion of having the press there.

Perhaps you mean a month later, after dropping on Japan.

William H. Laurence followed the progress of the bomb. I know he didn't release everything he knew at the time of the Trinity test. My point was that the US took measures to record believable evidence. They didn't rely solely on the the testimony of anonymous old ladies.

 

[KingMerv00]

Actually, there was a NY Times reporter at Trinity. He, of course, wasn't allowed to report anything until after the atomic bombings of Japan.

Yup, see above.