George Santos charged with defrauding campaign donors

Elise Stefanik

CNN has an article with gives a bit of insight into Santos' fundraising and relationship to a prominent NY representative. "“I would have never donated without Elise,” said Ken Salamone, who gave $5,800 to Santos’ campaign and more than $20,000 to his joint fundraising committee, after Stefanik’s team reached out on his behalf."
 
Chris_Halkides said:
CNN has an article with gives a bit of insight into Santos' fundraising and relationship to a prominent NY representative. "“I would have never donated without Elise,” said Ken Salamone, who gave $5,800 to Santos’ campaign and more than $20,000 to his joint fundraising committee, after Stefanik’s team reached out on his behalf."
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Is Elise his drag name?!
 
Lurch said:
When I say the elector's vote is sacrosanct, I mean this in the context of that vote having been cast by close of polls. Once so cast in good faith and counted fairly it is inviolate, determining utterly who is seated. No backsies. Caveat emptor, indeed.
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And yet all sorts of legislators are subject to recall elections. I noted there is no current recall mechanism for Santos. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be no matter how much rationalizing after the fact (as in after the Constitution was written) is being ranted in this thread.


Lurch said:
As dann points out, the absence of a Constitutional recall mechanism by the electorate is no oversight.
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It was an oversight. There's no evidence to the contrary and it's ludicrous to think it was by design. The way votes are divided up by states and Congressional districts what makes sense is that those divisions should have the recall options even if the country as a whole does not.
 
dann said:
Is Elise his drag name?!
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Is this a serious question?

Elise Stefanik is the Congressperson who manipulated her way into Liz Cheney's leadership position when Cheney went all honest and rational on the GOP's asses.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
... rationalizing after the fact (as in after the Constitution was written) is being ranted in this thread. ...
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Denmark's Grundlov, which I referred to in post 403, is from 1849, revised in 1953.
"The members of Folketinget are bound only by their convictions and not by any directions from their constituents."

Germany's Grundgesetz, which I referred to in post 423, is from May 23, 1949.
"According to the constitution, members of parliament are: Representatives of the people
They are the ones who make decisions.
So they are working according to their conscience.
They are bound by neither contracts nor directions.
They decide what they think is right."

They just can't stop making that same mistake over and over. It almost makes one think that it's a feature, not a bug ...
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
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It was an oversight. There's no evidence to the contrary and it's ludicrous to think it was by design. The way votes are divided up by states and Congressional districts what makes sense is that those divisions should have the recall options even if the country as a whole does not.
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I dunno. How would a recall actually work? It might start with a petition for a new election. How many voters would have to sign a petition? Ten percent? 20 percent? The losing side would routinely seek a recall after every election. How many attempts have there been to recall California governors? The real issue is that for most of our history, ordinary standards of behavior would have compelled a Santos to resign in shame if he was caught in such blatant lies. But ordinary standards no longer apply.
 
I think people need to stop piling on to insult Santos and instead appreciate what a tremendous breakthrough in human achievement he offers: infinite energy. What we'll do is place him in a chamber and let him speak as much as he wants to. The constant flood of uncontrollable lies will keep his pants burning forever, and the heat can be used to power a steam turbine. As long as we don't run out of pants for him we'll have perpetual energy production.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It was an oversight. There's no evidence to the contrary and it's ludicrous to think it was by design.
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(Of course all of this with the caveat that nobody should ever give much of a crap what the original framers designed or thought.)

The framers were more aristocratic than democratic and the idea that congress or the executive should at all be accountable to the whims of the people would make them recoil in horror. Their constitution gave very little direct power to the voter for this reason. They thought the masses were morons who needed protected from their own stupidity.

Really, the continued deification of these jokers is like the perfect conservative jedi mind trick. They aren't our friends.

(Also at the framing the idea of a recall for the house would be mechanically unworkable. A two year turn is basically a scheduled recall election now, much less given the infrastructure back then.)
 
Georgie claimed in a Brazilian podcast that he was the victim of an assassination attempt, a mugging, and that his home in Florida was vandalized because he's a Republican. None of it has been confirmed by any evidence:
In the translated clip from Dec. 7, Santos claimed that the alleged vandalism occurred while he and his husband were at a New Year’s Eve Party to ring in 2021.

“It was vandalized because we were at a Republican Party in Florida in December 2020. So that’s it. I’ve experienced vandalism,” Santos claimed before shifting gears. “We have already suffered an attempt on my life, an assassination attempt, a threatening letter, having to have the police — a police escort standing in front of our house.”
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Santos did, however, more fully describe what he claimed happened on Fifth Avenue in the summer of 2021.

“I was mugged by two men. Before asking any questions, they weren’t Black, they were even white, but they robbed me, took my briefcase, took my shoes and my watch. And that was in broad daylight. It was 3 p.m. I was leaving my office, going to the garage, getting my car, and I was mugged,” he claimed, adding later: “The fear is real. It’s surreal what we live through here.”

The podcast hosts asked Santos for a police report to substantiate his claims, but haven’t heard back, Maddow said, adding that she did the same. She’s also filed a records request with the NYPD—but hasn’t yet received a response.
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dann said:
Denmark's Grundlov, which I referred to in post 403, is from 1849, revised in 1953.
"The members of Folketinget are bound only by their convictions and not by any directions from their constituents."

Germany's Grundgesetz, which I referred to in post 423, is from May 23, 1949.
"According to the constitution, members of parliament are: Representatives of the people
They are the ones who make decisions.
So they are working according to their conscience.
They are bound by neither contracts nor directions.
They decide what they think is right."

They just can't stop making that same mistake over and over. It almost makes one think that it's a feature, not a bug ...
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I'm not surprised Santos stood for election in Germany in 1949 and fooled them there. He's been in every election ever known, according to him.

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Bob001 said:
I dunno. How would a recall actually work? It might start with a petition for a new election. How many voters would have to sign a petition? Ten percent? 20 percent? The losing side would routinely seek a recall after every election. How many attempts have there been to recall California governors? The real issue is that for most of our history, ordinary standards of behavior would have compelled a Santos to resign in shame if he was caught in such blatant lies. But ordinary standards no longer apply.
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California has recalled our governor at least once and attempted it again just a few years ago. The bar is a bit too low we realized, a higher threshold of votes should be needed so it isn't abused like I believe it was here with Newsom via the Republican Party. They tried to recall him several times for various reasons until they got one to stick. It was a farce and it failed.

So there is a mechanism for it for Governor. Same could be applied to members of Congress. Why not? It is in our best interest to have that option, partly because it is 100% not it any single politicians best interest.

Santos, Boobert, Greene, Gaetz, almost Walker, Trump. The only one people are complaining about is Santos though, so the voters like what they see with the rest :rolleyes:

Then again, recall elections are being abused by the Republicans:

https://www.emilyslist.org/news/ent...cs-politics-gov-political-recall-election-sta
“After witnessing the most pro-felon, anti-jobs agenda in state history pushed by Senate Democrats, I believe all 11 current members of the Senate Democratic Caucus should be forced to stand for recall elections,” Michael Roberson, then the Republican leader in the Nevada Senate, wrote in an op-ed.
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So there's that. As I said, in California the Republicans tried many times to get a recall election against Newsom.
 
Given Santos' success as a US senate candidate, I'm going to stand next time. I'm not even a US citizen nor am I gay, but at least I'm not on the lam from criminal charges here in Australia. I can also do a reasonably good line in fabulism, plus I'm prepared to be fabulous. And I do wear daggy specs. Given the election process Santos has abused, I reckon I've got a great chance of success! ;)
 
Norman Alexander said:
Given Santos' success as a US senate candidate, I'm going to stand next time. I'm not even a US citizen nor am I gay, but at least I'm not on the lam from criminal charges here in Australia. I can also do a reasonably good line in fabulism, plus I'm prepared to be fabulous. And I do wear daggy specs. Given the election process Santos has abused, I reckon I've got a great chance of success! ;)
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WHole point is Santos did not know the diffrence between the House and the Senate..
 
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(Of course all of this with the caveat that nobody should ever give much of a crap what the original framers designed or thought.)

The framers were more aristocratic than democratic and the idea that congress or the executive should at all be accountable to the whims of the people would make them recoil in horror. Their constitution gave very little direct power to the voter for this reason. They thought the masses were morons who needed protected from their own stupidity.

Really, the continued deification of these jokers is like the perfect conservative jedi mind trick. They aren't our friends.

(Also at the framing the idea of a recall for the house would be mechanically unworkable. A two year turn is basically a scheduled recall election now, much less given the infrastructure back then.)
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Seems to me that the results of recently electons prove the founders had a point there...


The founders should not be deified, but this total dumping on them is wrong.
 
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