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George Santos charged with defrauding campaign donors
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Mike!
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"George’s new drag name needs to be Miss Information" or "Liza Bunch".
https://twitter.com/MoonPixieDC/status/1616570191462400002
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Chris_Halkides
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Somebody was asleep at the switch
Upon initial examination Robert Zimmerman was hardly an objectionable candidate, and I have heard that this district was considered a safe seat for democrats (Zimmerman lost 54 to 46 percent). One group that should be ashamed of its performance is the leadership of the Democratic Party. They should have given Zimmerman's campaign more money or spent it themselves to publicize the exploits of the talented Mr. Santos. "Much of that so-called “opposition research” had appeared in various news outlets prior to the election. But no press release from the Zimmerman campaign, the state Democratic Party or the DCCC referenced the bulk of the Times reporting, which focused on the many alleged fabrications included as part of Santos’ resume as well as dug deeper into the animal rescue nonprofit Santos claimed to have founded." link
That having been said, I get the impression that the party did do something. "He [Zimmerman] pointed to an 87-page opposition research document the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee released that could have led to national exposure of Santos as a person unworthy of the office before voters went to the ballot booth."
Upon initial examination Robert Zimmerman was hardly an objectionable candidate, and I have heard that this district was considered a safe seat for democrats (Zimmerman lost 54 to 46 percent). One group that should be ashamed of its performance is the leadership of the Democratic Party. They should have given Zimmerman's campaign more money or spent it themselves to publicize the exploits of the talented Mr. Santos. "Much of that so-called “opposition research” had appeared in various news outlets prior to the election. But no press release from the Zimmerman campaign, the state Democratic Party or the DCCC referenced the bulk of the Times reporting, which focused on the many alleged fabrications included as part of Santos’ resume as well as dug deeper into the animal rescue nonprofit Santos claimed to have founded." link
That having been said, I get the impression that the party did do something. "He [Zimmerman] pointed to an 87-page opposition research document the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee released that could have led to national exposure of Santos as a person unworthy of the office before voters went to the ballot booth."
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On the contrary, scale is exactly what I am talking about. Almost all of us agree 60 lies is too much. But we still have to agree on a number that is the cutoff line for having too many lies. Is 30 an acceptable cutoff? 15? 7? Or as some here say is one proveably false statement enough to nix a candidate?
If we go with one, then does mean that H. Clinton is ineligible because of her claim that she came under fire at an airport?
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And what if the provably false statement is based on misremembering something rather than intending to deceive people. If a senator says “10 years ago, I voted against senate bill S123,” but it turns out that person voted for the bill. Does that provably false statement count as a lie?
And how recent do these lies have to be? Does a 15-year-old lie count as part of a candidate’s lie tally?
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As for comparing this job to other jobs with a fiduciary duty, other jobs require applications with specific questions (level of education, place of education, previous employment, criminal convictions, etc). The applicant then signs a statement that the information is correct. But if we require that, then Santos (or someone like Trump) could have told the truth on those questions and still have lied about contracting brain cancer, AIDS, and COVID; having a mother in the towers on 9/11; and all the other goofy claims that wouldn’t appear on an application. Are those lies serious enough to exclude the candidate.
Do Trump’s incessant lies about setting new attendance records in every venue he spoke in (because, according to him, he talked a fire chief into allowing extra people into a venue) count as disqualifying lies?
acbytesla
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You don’t think I understand? I understand full well.
You're saying that someone who runs as a graduate of Baruch University with a degree in economics, but who in reality is a high school drop-out should be able to get away with his fraud against the voters in his district.
If he had run as a high school dropout and elected, I have no issue.
How can he fairly represent the voters of his district when he can't fairly represent who he is?
acbytesla
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Are you saying that George Santos mis-remembered attending the Horace Mann School, Baruch University and NYU? Are you saying he mis-remembered working for Citicorp and Goldman Sachs?
Which one of his falsehoods do you think are simply a case of misremembering?
We need to find a way to curb the rampant dishonesty in politics. We may not be able to eliminate it entirely, but a candidate should be accountable for telling the truth.
Craig4
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https://www.gawker.com/politics/meet-rep-george-santoss-non-fictional-staff
He's recruited some real failed genetic experiments to work on his staff. The fact that you have to go to Gawker to find them tells you what you need to know. His team isn't the bottom of the barrel; they're living with the worms and slugs in the dirt under the barrel.
He's recruited some real failed genetic experiments to work on his staff. The fact that you have to go to Gawker to find them tells you what you need to know. His team isn't the bottom of the barrel; they're living with the worms and slugs in the dirt under the barrel.
And if the “will of the people” is to recall him?
We’ve only recently had a mechanism to recall MPs introduced in England and Wales, I think a political system that doesn’t have a recall procedure is lacking a safeguard.
Obviously the actual procedure has to have many caveats, checks and balances and so on, it shouldn’t be open for a politician to be recalled because their constituents (even if it is a majority) disagree with their voting record.
Have a read of MPs recall procedure in the UK for an example. Many other countries also have recall procedures.
Parsman
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Oh no sir, I understand representative democracy. The people of this district wanted a competent businessman with a record of charitable support and a personal understanding of issues affecting the disadvantaged and different in society as well as the strength and courage to overcome personal and familial tragedy. That might even be a representative worth having, Republican or not. But that is not what they got. They got a fraud and a shape shifter but you think, because they were misled or fooled they have to suffer this "representative" for 2 years! To be fair this is one of the problems of FPTP systems like congress in the USA or Parliament in my own country, this idea of winner takes all but in a proper democracy there would be repercussions for this kind of behaviour since honour or good behaviour now counts for little in politics and governments.
Fonebone
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In Jorge's defense, he did record a verbal correction:
https://soundcloud.com/daleleopold/...d&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
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This is an arbitrary cherrypicked point. How about he's mentally ill? And yes, it should have applied to Trump as well but that's off-topic.
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You continue to ignore the facts of this case, the larger picture, the common sense difference.
autumn1971
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Well, there is a way to remove him. The Fascists spend a lot of time talking about it every election cycle.
Kind of a Constitutional loophole.
Mike!
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Somebody find a picture or video of him in drag holding a children's book, please.
Thermal
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I keep reading this thread title as "George Soros" and am expecting it to be about crazy ****. Certainly not disappointed.
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Stacyhs
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Comedian Leslie Jones:
Do you know how much you have to lie to be known as 'the lying Congressman'?
She's got a point.
"He stole from a disabled, homeless veteran's dying service dog? Oh, my god, you evil and stupid!"
She's got another point.
Do you know how much you have to lie to be known as 'the lying Congressman'?
She's got a point.
"He stole from a disabled, homeless veteran's dying service dog? Oh, my god, you evil and stupid!"
She's got another point.
I Am The Scum
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Elected office in a representative democracy is a very unique station, unlike just about any other job one can take. The qualifications are as basic as they come; citizenship, age, and an ability to convince enough people to vote for you. That's about it. No standards in education, experience, honesty. If the candidate finagles the position without committing a crime, then he's rightfully in.
The will of the voters is sacrosanct. Whether they are deceived or are in on it. Which is why I keep saying a People gets the Government it deserves.
The will of the voters is sacrosanct. Whether they are deceived or are in on it. Which is why I keep saying a People gets the Government it deserves.