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GlennB said:
So much depends on the stress and intonation ...

He isn't a complete clown (some fraction clown)

He isn't a complete clown (not a clown, but ... er ... thanks for mentioning it, Guto ;)

He isn't a complete clown (maybe use a different word that begins with 'c'?)

He isn't a complete clown (it's all Carrie's fault)
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I think it's part of Johnson's attempt to pivot to loveable jester again. Dad tells me that today Johnson and Sunak visited his local hospital and stood in front of some radiography equipment and Johnson said "beam me up Scotty" for the cameras
 
Darat said:
At least the problems of waiting lists and catch-up treatment due to the pandemic has all been sorted."Covid: Tough new targets will tackle NHS backlog, Boris Johnson says….” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60289635

So no need to worry Johnson has fixed it all, we just needed new targets!
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Exactly !

After all more resources and/or money would just get in the way. :rolleyes:
 
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At least the problems of waiting lists and catch-up treatment due to the pandemic has all been sorted."Covid: Tough new targets will tackle NHS backlog, Boris Johnson says….” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60289635

So no need to worry Johnson has fixed it all, we just needed new targets!
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I'm reading that they're not new and some have been failing anyway for years.

Boris Johnson accused of ‘shameful spinning’ of cancer care targets

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"The shadow health secretary, Wes Streeting, pointed out that a second promise – that 75% of suspected cancer patients will be told if they have the disease or not within 28 days of being urgently referred by a GP – was an NHS standard that was already in place.

“This is an existing target that was introduced in April and has never been met,” Streeting said."

I keep thinking he can't get any worse, then he does.
 
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Captain Tom turning out to be a profiteering grift is the most UK 2022 thing ever.

Captain Tom Moore's daughter and son-in-law spent 10% of donations on consultancy fees
More money was paid to their own businesses than the British Legion
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Captain Tom turning out to be a profiteering grift is the most UK 2022 thing ever.

Captain Tom Moore's daughter and son-in-law spent 10% of donations on consultancy fees
More money was paid to their own businesses than the British Legion
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I don't know the facts. It would be terrible if true. I do not like people making excessive profits from charity and, in Australia, I would support the tax office forcing charities to state what percentage of gross donations go to the beneficiaries.

I did find this article saying the claim is not true.

Reuters / False claim: Captain Tom’s family to profit from National Health Service fundraiser (May 2020)
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-captain-tom-fundraiser-mayt-idUSKBN22G2NM
 
It seems like Boris Johnson and the Conservative government are running the President Trump/Republican Party playbook again. :mad:

Make unsubstantiated and repeatedly debunked allegations about a political opponent and sit back and wait while your plausibly deniable brown-shorts follow through in a predictable way.

Boris Johnson is facing fresh calls from some of his own MPs to apologise for making a false claim about Sir Keir Starmer, after a group surrounded the Labour leader near Parliament.

Some of them were heard criticising Sir Keir for backing Covid jabs, but there were also shouts about Jimmy Savile.

At least six Tory MPs later linked the incident to the PM's incorrect comment that Sir Keir had failed to prosecute serial sex offender Savile.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60297998

Of course Boris Johnson refuses to back down from his scurrilous allegations, indeed claims that everyone has misunderstood the point he was trying to make and claiming that the mob he incited has nothing to do with him :rolleyes:

Downing Street has no intention for apologising for the remarks Mr Johnson made, a senior source at No 10 told the BBC.

They said it was unreasonable to suggest that what happened on Monday "was Boris's fault and not the mob's fault" - adding that Mr Johnson's tweet about the incident "was sincere".
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It couldn't be more perfectly Trumpian unless Boris Johnson claimed that there were good people on both sides.
 
zooterkin said:
Source?
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https://www.joe.co.uk/news/captain-...re-than-10-of-donations-on-consultants-316029

The year end accounts show the foundation received over £1 million worth of donations, and used it to make four grants of £40,000 to each charity, totalling £160,000.

Of the total £400,000 spent, £230,000 was spent on various administration and marketing costs.

The accounts show more than £125,000 was spent on fundraising consultancy fees between May 2020 and May 2021, which is around one tenth of all money raised.

A total £162,336 was used on management costs, meaning more money was spent on running the foundation than was donated to the charities.

The foundation was co-founded by his daughter, Hannah Ingram-Moore, who also runs PR firm, Maytrix Group and Club Nook Limited alongside her husband.

According to the 2020-2021 audit, a total £54,039 was paid into Maytrix and Club Nook for assorted costs, including transport, website and third-party consultancy.

Out of these contributions, his daughter's firm Maytrix received £27,205 in consultancy fees.
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No 10 has no intention of apologising, a senior source told the BBC "He's got other stuff to get on with today."
 
Captain_Swoop said:
No 10 has no intention of apologising, a senior source told the BBC "He's got other stuff to get on with today."
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Of course he won't apologise. Even if he hadn't learned not to apologise at Eton, seeing Donald Trump in action would have clearly indicated that you can get away with anything so long as you never back down and never apologise so long as those around you are completely spineless.
 
Darat said:
At least the problems of waiting lists and catch-up treatment due to the pandemic has all been sorted."Covid: Tough new targets will tackle NHS backlog, Boris Johnson says….” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60289635

So no need to worry Johnson has fixed it all, we just needed new targets!
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All NHS targets ever did was to result in distortions of clinical priorities to meet said targets, speaking as a veteran of Target Wars dating back into the last century.

And it's not like this distortion is unknown even to managers...
 
Carrot Flower King said:
All NHS targets ever did was to result in distortions of clinical priorities to meet said targets, speaking as a veteran of Target Wars dating back into the last century.

And it's not like this distortion is unknown even to managers...
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Thing is it should be known to anyone who has to deal with the NHS. The letter sent out to tell you will get a call from the outpatients/clinic, call is 30 seconds, but that's the patient contacted within 2 weeks and "started" on the system! Next appointment might be in 6 weeks time to see someone or of course much longer.
 
Blinking flipping heck, it's going to be more than two years before waiting lists start to come down.

Not until they're down to the levels they are today, but they're going to keep growing for another two years.

He says the NHS assumes that waiting lists for elective operations will start coming down in March 2024
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-...0265cf000e9e34d25a5ecf&pinned_post_type=share

....and they'll use this as excuse to further privatise the NHS :mad:

He adds that, like during the pandemic, the government will make "greater use of the independent sector" to boost capacity and help patients access services.
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