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Darat said:
Thing is it should be known to anyone who has to deal with the NHS. The letter sent out to tell you will get a call from the outpatients/clinic, call is 30 seconds, but that's the patient contacted within 2 weeks and "started" on the system! Next appointment might be in 6 weeks time to see someone or of course much longer.
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Oh yeah: I'm well familiar with the "screening appointment" to get folks off the observable waiting list and on to that thing-which-doesn't-actually-exist-at-all, the internal waiting list.

When I worked on Teesside this was a source of considerable tension between 3 of the patch team leaders, who wouldn't run internal waiting lists, on the one hand and the other patch team leader, supported by the service manager, on the other, who did actively run screening and an internal waiting list and also happened to be the partner of the service manager...

When I jacked it in in 2013, we'd had a new "system" forced on us, which we were forced by management to misuse in order to get folk off the visible waiting list and on to the invisible internal list. This was about the third time up here we'd had managment enforced internal lists, which some of us had refused to go along with - I was threatened with disciplinary action and reporting to the NMC, but I called **** For Brains' bluff (why, yes, I actually DID have a manager called **** For Brains)...And had a hard time for several years as a result. I did out last **** For Brains who was made redundant, along with the next 2 up the line, during some Stalinist purge.
 
Lothian said:
Will be good to find out who the leadership was that allowed the parties in Boris's flat and elsewhere.
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I know, poor Boris coming home mid-afternoon after a hard day at the Covid-face not able to put his feet up because someone insists on plying him with booze, cheese and cake.

Heads must roll for this cruel and unusual punishment. :rolleyes:
 
The Haunted Pencil (JR-M) appointed "Minister for Brexit Opportunities and Government Efficiency" whatever the hell that means. Talk about made-up job titles.
 
Worm said:
The Haunted Pencil (JR-M) appointed "Minister for Brexit Opportunities and Government Efficiency" whatever the hell that means. Talk about made-up job titles.
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Minister for BrOG(u)E - how apt ;)

Perhaps he could also be on the lookout for bigfoot, unicorns and Brigadoon...:rolleyes:
 
Darat said:
Thing is it should be known to anyone who has to deal with the NHS.
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It should be known to anyone with any understanding of management, whether in or outside the NHS. Targets make people modify their behaviour to meet the target exactly as specified, rather than to improve performance in the way the target was intended to.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
It should be known to anyone with any understanding of management, whether in or outside the NHS. Targets make people modify their behaviour to meet the target exactly as specified, rather than to improve performance in the way the target was intended to.

Dave
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But.. but... but... how do I make my nice Power Point presentation if I don't have a single percentage to show! No one wants to listen to the detail...
 
Dave Rogers said:
It should be known to anyone with any understanding of management, whether in or outside the NHS. Targets make people modify their behaviour to meet the target exactly as specified, rather than to improve performance in the way the target was intended to.

Dave
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Exactly.
 
I see absolutely nothing of substance in Javid's "proposals", just a load of vague blether.

No acknowledgement of the role the Cameron/Osborn regime played in hacking NHS and related budgets to pieces; no acknowledgement of the role played by the Tory decision to cut training places on subsequent staffing issues; no acknowledgement of the loss of senior clinical staff of all disciplines as a direct result of austerity cuts (loss of leadership, clinical experience and expertise, service culture, training supervisors and all the rest is hard to quantify, but is very real). It's just like all this appeared overnight and wasn't already problematic BEFORE Covid hit.

And even then no real ideas about what will be done to improve matters, but the same useful idiots who voted for them over the last 12 years will still carry on voting for them because reasons...
 
Carrot Flower King said:
I see absolutely nothing of substance in Javid's "proposals", just a load of vague blether.

No acknowledgement of the role the Cameron/Osborn regime played in hacking NHS and related budgets to pieces; no acknowledgement of the role played by the Tory decision to cut training places on subsequent staffing issues; no acknowledgement of the loss of senior clinical staff of all disciplines as a direct result of austerity cuts (loss of leadership, clinical experience and expertise, service culture, training supervisors and all the rest is hard to quantify, but is very real). It's just like all this appeared overnight and wasn't already problematic BEFORE Covid hit.

And even then no real ideas about what will be done to improve matters, but the same useful idiots who voted for them over the last 12 years will still carry on voting for them because reasons...
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Since the NHS has so obviously failed we must privatise it!
 
And WTAF are these "NHS reservists"?

No such thing.

Does he mean folk who retired and are supposed to be offered part-time work following retirement? Which doesn't always happen anyway - I wasn't offered this option, but that might have something to do with me telling HR that I would not consider it without a written apology for certain actions of some specific managers and the head of HR for nor proerly, i.e. according to policy, investigating my complaint about one of those managers. That and I wasn't prepared to accept the ridiculously low banding they tend to offer: you want that level of experience and the rest, then pay me.
 
Darat said:
Since the NHS has so obviously failed we must privatise it!
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Just to take that at face value (I know, I know): who has been in charge of the NHS most of the time since I began work as a nursing assistant back in 1984? Who was responsible for the bulk of the major management changes? Who kept changing those management structures after a year or 2 without ever evaluating the efficacy of those changes? Who was responsible for consistentlyu reducing funding during that time? I could go on...

What we can conclude is that...Well, we all know what the answer to that is...
 
Oh, look! An ex-Tory (well, kinda) involved in harassing Starmer and spreading lies - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...arty-among-mob-starmer-incident-resistance-gb

The last paragraph of that piece is especially telling: “It is nonsensical and alien to the concept of personal responsibility for us to be blamed for any of the tens of thousands of comments hosted by tech platforms.”

Can't blame us for spreading misinformation! The big boys did it and ran away! How exactly do you define "responsibility"?
 
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Carrot Flower King said:
Just to take that at face value (I know, I know): who has been in charge of the NHS most of the time since I began work as a nursing assistant back in 1984? Who was responsible for the bulk of the major management changes? Who kept changing those management structures after a year or 2 without ever evaluating the efficacy of those changes? Who was responsible for consistentlyu reducing funding during that time? I could go on...
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This is the nature of public services. Of course they are political footballs that do 180s in their long term plans every time the wind changes and spend vast sums only to self defeatingly tighten their belts to help get somebody elected. It's been that way since Bevan first stuffed the doctors mouths with gold. It cannot be otherwise.
 
Dave Rogers said:
It should be known to anyone with any understanding of management, whether in or outside the NHS. Targets make people modify their behaviour to meet the target exactly as specified, rather than to improve performance in the way the target was intended to.



Dave
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That's exactly what happens. Also finding the best way to circumvent a risk minimisation process.
 
New Housing Minister is landlord who defeated law to make homes 'fit for human habitation'
Boris Johnson made Stuart Andrew England's 11th housing minister in 12 years after Chris Pincher left following two years' service - and it quickly emerged he voted down a hotly-contested amendment in 2016

Deputy Chief Whip Stuart Andrew was today moved to Housing Minister in Boris Johnson's mini-reshuffle as part of a clearout of the whips' office.
Mr Andrew faces a bitter battle with the Tory grassroots as he and Housing Secretary Michael Gove rework controversial plans to tear up the planning system. Mr Gove shelved the plans to split areas into development loans and they're being examined again.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/new-housing-minister-landlord-who-26172523

The slow-motion coup continues.
 
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Channel 4 News
Record breaking profits have been announced by oil giant BP. But exclusive research for this programme has revealed their north sea oil operations paid zero tax for five years.
In fact, they've actually received money from the taxpayer.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Channel 4 News
Record breaking profits have been announced by oil giant BP. But exclusive research for this programme has revealed their north sea oil operations paid zero tax for five years.
In fact, they've actually received money from the taxpayer.
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It's OK. I despaired to the max a year or two ago.
 
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