Cont: General UK politics [2]

[Vixen]

I realise that, but Vixen said "Still meaningless, as he wasn't one was he? " rather than "... isn't one ...". I was just trying to clarify her meaning.

'Wasn't one' as of the time of the release of the report (today) or when it concluded (whenever that was).

Sigh. Bercow was cancelled as an MP whether he was one or not or is one or not or whether he was one or not when he was the speaker in the Commons - and anyway none of this was the case since 2019 and whether or not there was or was not a proper motion put in place to have him vetoed as an MP, had he been an MP or if he was or is an MP, which technically he would have been whilst a speaker, although he has not been or is the speaker since 2019, so one can say he was cancelled as an MP even if he was not or is not an MP because the independent panel say he would have been had he been one and the vote had gone through, even though he was not or is not, and he has been banned for life from having a House of Commons Pass, even though he has not applied for one so he can't be banned as he doesn't have a pass but can still go in anyway. However the point is, Bercow is CANCELLED as an MP were he to be one and BANNED for life from having a HoC pass even it he doesn't qualify for one anyway, but only were he to become an MP and apply for a pass then despite the panel's 'recommendation' it is not guaranteed he WOULD be cancelled and if the vote was not carried then it is not sure he could be banned for life from having a parliamentary pass should he apply for one should he succeed in becoming an MP, which he cannot at the moment as he is now suspended by the Labour Party, although he could stand as an Independent.

Not to downplay the devastating effects of workplace bullying on the many areas of life of an employee who suffers it, this report into the three individuals seems to have taken an unduly long time to complete and one suspects it has wandered way off its original aim and is more in political revenge from the enemies Bercow made along the way.

 

[Arcade22]

Boris on Sky News

Question, the UK has issued just 50 visas to Ukrainian so far when more than a million people have fled the country, are you happy with that?

Boris, I'm not sure those numbers are right, no country in Europe has done more to resettle vulnerable people, since 2015, than the UK

I love the level of self-deception involved when he only includes so called "quota-refugees", which are a drop in the bucket compared to all other international refugees.

Isn't this what Brexit was all about? Being able to aid belligerent states waging war, no matter how just it happens to be, while refusing to directly aid those civilians caught in the crossfire?

 

[Andy_Ross]

I love the level of self-deception involved when he only includes so called "quota-refugees", which are a drop in the bucket compared to all other international refugees.

Isn't this what Brexit was all about? Being able to aid belligerent states waging war, no matter how just it happens to be, while refusing to directly aid those civilians caught in the crossfire?

Brexit was all about throwing the eastern Europeans out of the country. Why would he want to invite them back in again?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Home Affairs Committee on BBC parliament channel. Ukraine's UK ambassador Vadym Prystaiko told MPs there have been "bureaucratic hassles" for years for Ukraine citizens coming to the UK.
His own wife couldn't initially get a visa to join him, despite him being his nation's ambassador.

 

[Andy_Ross]

At PMQs Boris said the UK has done more to resettle vulnerable people since 2015 than any other country in Europe.
Probably one of the most barefaced lies he has ever told.

 

[Lothian]

At PMQs Boris said the UK has done more to resettle vulnerable people since 2015 than any other country in Europe.
Probably one of the most barefaced lies he has ever told.

I disagree. I think with hindsight, those EU workers proping up the NHS, our hospitality businesses, UK farming etc were in a vulnerable position and brexit has resettled them outside the UK.

 

[Vixen]

At PMQs Boris said the UK has done more to resettle vulnerable people since 2015 than any other country in Europe.
Probably one of the most barefaced lies he has ever told.

Boris Johnson's words rarely match his actions.

13:16
Boris Johnson has refused to drop visa requirements for Ukrainians fleeing the country as Russian forces continued to bombard Ukraine’s towns and cities.

The European Union has allowed visa-free travel for Ukrainians, but the UK prime minister insisted that the UK was right to require the paperwork to be completed.

Speaking in the Commons today, Johnson said:

We’ve already got 1,000 people in under the existing scheme, that number will climb very sharply. No one has been turned away.

Johnson said security checks were vital to prevent Russian agents from entering the UK.

We know how unscrupulous Putin can be in his methods, it would not be right to expose this country to unnecessary security risk and we will not do it.

We are going to be as generous as we can possibly be, but we must have checks.

GUARDIAN


Not sure how making people spend large sums of money on visas keeps the undercover Russian spies out.

Ludicrous excuses #102 and #103:

• Lincoln is 'already full up' (It is the 4th least populated area of England).
• Last time Russian spies stepped foot on our soil they poisoned the Skirpals.

 

[jimbob]

I disagree. I think with hindsight, those EU workers proping up the NHS, our hospitality businesses, UK farming etc were in a vulnerable position and brexit has resettled them outside the UK.

He didn't say where he had resettled them

 

[Darat]

Brexit was all about throwing the eastern Europeans out of the country. Why would he want to invite them back in again?

That's just a damn lie.

It was only ever about throwing out the wrong Eastern Europeans, it wasn't meant for their cleaner, painter and plumber to be thrown out!

I have had folk around here tell me apparently completely seriously that it's terrible they have lost their cleaner because she decided to back to Poland/Albania/etc.

Brexit means Brexit but at no inconvenience to me!

 

[Mr Fied]

At PMQs Boris said the UK has done more to resettle vulnerable people since 2015 than any other country in Europe.
Probably one of the most barefaced lies he has ever told.

I think he's probably right, the only problem is we've helped them resettle anywhere but the UK.

 

[Andy_Ross]

So the British embassy in Brussels doesn’t issue visas to Ukrainians. That’s done by a private company at Brussels station . Someone’s making money out of their misery. A private company has been contracted to do the processing.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Daniel Kawczynski Conservative MP for Shrewsbury tweeted

@DKShrewsbury
British Left wing parties demand Britain takes in more Ukrainian refugees. This is illiterate and immoral. When war is over Ukrainians will need to return home to rebuild their country. We should be supporting Ukrainian refugees in frontline states like Poland & Romania

 

[jimbob]

Daniel Kawczynski Conservative MP for Shrewsbury tweeted

@DKShrewsbury
British Left wing parties demand Britain takes in more Ukrainian refugees. This is illiterate and immoral. When war is over Ukrainians will need to return home to rebuild their country. We should be supporting Ukrainian refugees in frontline states like Poland & Romania

Just when I thought I couldn't despise him more

 

[Andy_Ross]

With the value of the Ruble plummeting, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tories have their worst fundraising for years..

 

[Andy_Ross]

Several MPs including Conservative MP Bob Seeley and several Lords have raised that lawyers representing Russian oligarchs have threatened national newspapers saying that reporting parliamentary debates in the British parliament "can be unlawful & seriously defamatory to their clients"
It leaves them open to legal action and they should desist from reporting any word that defame their clients.

 

[Mojo]

Several MPs including Conservative MP Bob Seeley and several Lords have raised that lawyers representing Russian oligarchs have threatened national newspapers saying that reporting parliamentary debates in the British parliament "can be unlawful & seriously defamatory to their clients"
It leaves them open to legal action and they should desist from reporting any word that defame their clients.

Link?

 

[theprestige]

Link?

More importantly, have the accusers substantiated their accusations?

 

[Mojo]

Erskine May: Protections for publication outside Parliament of parliamentary proceedings

Although the privilege of freedom of speech protects what is said in debate in either House, this privilege does not to the same degree apply to the publication of debates or proceedings outside Parliament. But the publication, whether by order of the House or not, of a fair and accurate account of a debate in either House is protected by the same principle as that which protects fair reports of proceedings in courts of justice, that the advantage of publicity to the community at large outweighs any private injury resulting from the publication, unless malice is proved. Described as ‘qualified privilege’, this is a matter of common law, rather than of parliamentary privilege.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Link?

It was on a BBC Parliament channel roundup last night, don't have a link.
They named some of the law firms involved but I can't remember what they were

Here is a Guardian piece from a month or so ago about other attempts by lawyers for Russian Oligarchs to stop the press reporting

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...n-law-firms-to-intimidate-journalists-mps-say

 

[Andy_Ross]

More importantly, have the accusers substantiated their accusations?

They are just trying to intimidate the press.
Anything said in Parliament is a public record and published in Hansard which anyone can read.
'Qualified' Parliamentary Privilege covers it all.