Cont: General UK politics [2]

[Andy_Ross]

Truss told the committee that the HO and FO have been preparing for this since last year.

 

[Andy_Ross]

And here the government is preparing for the first group of 25.000 fugitives, with a next group of another 25.000 fugitives after that.
And this is just the beginning.

(I've just listened to our prime minister explaining this).

Edit:
Even the possibilities of them finding work here are being made more easy for them.

Ireland has prepared to take 15000
Moldova one the poorest country in Europe has welcomed more than 80,000
Meanwhile James Cleverly, Minister for European Neighbourhood and the Americas says refugees want to stay near home!

 

[erwinl]

Ireland has prepared to take 15000
Moldova one the poorest country in Europe has welcomed more than 80,000
Meanwhile James Cleverly, Minister for European Neighbourhood and the Americas says refugees want to stay near home!

And apparently about 12000 people here have volunteered their home as available to accept fugitives.

As we're only a small country, imagine what good the UK could do in this departement.

 

[Vixen]

Which translated from this government's newspeak means "I've made an announcement about setting up a visa centre".

That is so unfair. When Patel said she had set up a visa centre in Calais, she meant 'I am doing it!' (as one's spouse will say when asked to do anything). Patel translated: 'Not done yet but I am sayin' it has been done because that cow my learned friend opposite isn't goin' to get one up on me'.

 

[Vixen]

And apparently about 12000 people here have volunteered their home as available to accept fugitives.

As we're only a small country, imagine what good the UK could do in this departement.

Yeah, but you are in the EU, see.

 

[Vixen]

So the former Commons Speaker, the loquacious John Bercow, has been found guilty of 21 incidents of bullying by an 'independent panel' and now they want to cancel his Commons pass and are recommending he be cancelled as an MP.

 

[Darat]

We've become a mockery of the very values the Tories proclaim of their own.

 

[Worm]

So the former Commons Speaker, the loquacious John Bercow, has been found guilty of 21 incidents of bullying by an 'independent panel' and now they want to cancel his Commons pass and are recommending he be cancelled as an MP.

Mmm.. not quite, because he is no longer an MP.

They've said that had he still been a Member of Parliament, they would recommnded his expulsion - I guess trying to be clear how seriously they take it. Too late.

 

[zooterkin]

Have we ever had a more incompetent government than the one we have today? Serious question. Many governments have made huge mistakes, many have implemented policies I think are abhorrent, but I can't recall any government so thoroughly incompetent from top to bottom as these lot.

I've had the same thought. I would much prefer someone competent, even if I didn't agree with their policies (not that I agree with most of what this lot stands for). At least you know people only have to deal with the intended consequences, not a whole boatload of unintended ones, and we won't be an international laughing stock.

 

[jimbob]

Dad's just got off the phone to a close friend in France - who taught himself English via the radio.

Apparently in France,

Johnson is a laughing stock, and there is lots of local speculation that he's in the pockets of the oligarchs.

 

[Vixen]

Mmm.. not quite, because he is no longer an MP.

They've said that had he still been a Member of Parliament, they would recommnded his expulsion - I guess trying to be clear how seriously they take it. Too late.

Still meaningless, as he wasn't one was he? Likewise he doesn't have a pass to the Houses of Parliament anyway, either.

The panel said it agreed with the commissioner's findings that Mr Bercow had been "a serial bully".

It added that Mr Bercow's conduct "was so serious that, had he still been a Member of Parliament, we would have determined that he should be expelled by resolution of the House", and that he would be banned from being getting a pass giving him access to Parliament's buildings.

Mr Bercow, who resigned as an MP in 2019, said he had never applied for a Parliamentary pass and does not want one, but could still go to Parliament as a guest of another pass holder.

BBC


In other words, all the stuff about his being 'banned for life' from the House of Commons and barred as an MP (had he still been one) is just a lot of vindictive guff, whichever way you read it.


I am sure he would have had a vote of no confidence as Prime Minister, had he been one (claim the IED).

 

[GlennB]

Still meaningless, as he wasn't one was he? Likewise he doesn't have a pass to the Houses of Parliament anyway, either.

Not quite sure what you mean here. The Speaker is also a sitting MP

"In addition, they remain a constituency Member of Parliament (MP), are part of the Privy Council, and represent the Commons to the Monarch, the House of Lords and other authorities." (wiki)

 

[Worm]

It's very much too little, too late.

The real investigation should be into how earlier allegations did not result in a similar conclusion. It's not like Bercow was whiter-than-white up until now.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Not quite sure what you mean here. The Speaker is also a sitting MP

"In addition, they remain a constituency Member of Parliament (MP), are part of the Privy Council, and represent the Commons to the Monarch, the House of Lords and other authorities." (wiki)

He hasn't been an MP since 2019

 

[Andy_Ross]

It's very much too little, too late.

The real investigation should be into how earlier allegations did not result in a similar conclusion. It's not like Bercow was whiter-than-white up until now.

Precedent is that the PM has full confidence in him and should make him Home Secretary.

 

[catsmate]

Not quite sure what you mean here. The Speaker is also a sitting MP

"In addition, they remain a constituency Member of Parliament (MP), are part of the Privy Council, and represent the Commons to the Monarch, the House of Lords and other authorities." (wiki)

Bercow is neither Speaker nor an MP and hasn't been since 2019.

 

[Mojo]

Dad's just got off the phone to a close friend in France - who taught himself English via the radio.

Apparently in France,

Johnson is a laughing stock, and there is lots of local speculation that he's in the pockets of the oligarchs.

Same as here, then.

 

[Darat]

Dad's just got off the phone to a close friend in France - who taught himself English via the radio.

Apparently in France,

Johnson is a laughing stock, and there is lots of local speculation that he's in the pockets of the oligarchs.

Should have told him there is no need to speculate - we know he and the Tory party are in the pocket of the oligarchs!

 

[Vixen]

Seems Bercow is being suspended by the Labour Party now. I expect it is a formality.

ISTM the Kathryn Stone panel who found against Bercow would have recommended his cancellation as an MP (an exclusion which would still have had to go through the proper protocols so would not be guaranteed just because it recommends it) had he still been an MP, although he is not, or technically an MP had he still been Speaker of the Commons, which he is not and has not been since 2019. So that clears that up.

Looks like Bercow must have really rattled Putin's Brexit plans when he almost put the kybosh on the antics of Putin's puppets who were paid handsomely to execute his cunning attack on the European Union. I guess the refugee situation is the same. The government doesn't want to upset Putin by seeming to be welcoming Ukrainian refugees as a result of Putin's evil policies.


(NB this is tongue-in-cheek.)

 

[GlennB]

He hasn't been an MP since 2019

I realise that, but Vixen said "Still meaningless, as he wasn't one was he? " rather than "... isn't one ...". I was just trying to clarify her meaning.