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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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Let's just back up for a second.

It was said that the belligerent Arab actors are hostile because they are occupied. I pointed out that Lebanon is not occupied and Iran is not occupied. Nobody has even attempted to deal with this. I furthermore pointed out that they were hostile before the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. And that it's the Arab's fault those territories were occupied.
 
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Virus said:
Let's just back up for a second.

It was said that the belligerent Arab actors are hostile because they are occupied. I pointed out that Lebanon is not occupied and Iran is not occupied. Nobody has even attempted to deal with this. I furthermore pointed out that they were hostile before the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. And that it's the Arab's fault those territories were occupied.
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west bank and gaza were occupied. but you seem to have the impression the minute the Israeli soldiers left, all haterd would have to be gone. this is wrong i think. it would be nice, but that is not what happens in reality with people that felt treathed unjust for decades.
 
DC said:
west bank and gaza were occupied. but you seem to have the impression the minute the Israeli soldiers left, all haterd would have to be gone. this is wrong i think. it would be nice, but that is not what happens in reality with people that felt treathed unjust for decades.
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You haven't addressed Iran. Or the belligerency of Egypt, Jordan and Syria when they were not occupied. Or that it's their fault the WB and Gaza were occupied because they tried for the umpteenth time to gang up and kill the Jews.

Seriously, you can't start wars then whine about losing.
 
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You haven't addressed Iran. Or the belligerency of Egypt, Jordan and Syria when they were not occupied. Or that it's their fault the WB and Gaza were occupied because they tried for the umpteenth time to gang up and kill the Jews.

Seriously, you can't start wars then whine about losing.
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i agree they should not have started wars. But its only normal that it happens.
and also whining about it and never giving up your dreams of geting it back one day is normal.
 
I guess it's normal considering the Nazi influences of Baathism and Nasserism.
 
Virus said:
I guess it's normal considering the Nazi influences of Baathism and Nasserism.
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how many people would agree to let other people build a country on the land they consider theirs?
Do you think Kurds will get a country without a conflict? i doubt it. Turky, Iran and Iraq seem not to be willing to.
Do you think the Lakotah will be able to get their Republic of Lakotah without a conflict? The USA and Dakotah seem not willing to.
 
DC said:
how many people would agree to let other people build a country on the land they consider theirs?
Do you think Kurds will get a country without a conflict? i doubt it. Turky, Iran and Iraq seem not to be willing to.
Do you think the Lakotah will be able to get their Republic of Lakotah without a conflict? The USA and Dakotah seem not willing to.
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Iran is at war with Israel. What land did they lose?

What land did Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Iraq lose before the Six Day War?

You could at least try and address the huge hole in your thesis.
 
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"How many people would agree to let other people build a country on the land they consider theirs?"
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It didn't belong to any of the Arab states who waged continuous wars with Israel.
 
DC said:
Yes and ex slaves directly stopped hating ex slave owners once slavery was outlawed.
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The Palestinians and Arabs hated Jews before Israel even existed. That's why they attacked Israel the minute it was formed.
 
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well ignoring your extreme broad brush, i wonder on what evidence you base that oppinion on, if any.
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Evidence of what? That the Arab armes attacked Israel the minute it was formed, or that anti-semitism in the region was rampant prior to Israel being formed? Are these even controversial claims?
 
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Evidence of what? That the Arab armes attacked Israel the minute it was formed, or that anti-semitism in the region was rampant prior to Israel being formed? Are these even controversial claims?
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well anything you think might support your claim that "THE Palestinians and Arabs hated Jews.
 
DC said:
well anything you think might support your claim that "THE Palestinians and Arabs hated Jews.
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So the war to destroy Israel isn't evidence of that? Their alliances with Nazis in WWII isn't evidence of that? :confused:
 
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So the war to destroy Israel isn't evidence of that? Their alliances with Nazis in WWII isn't evidence of that? :confused:
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so the only reason for a war is hatred?
and the alliance with the Nazis was the will of the Palestinain and Arab people?
no i dont think it supports your claim.
 
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Opinion polls have already shown that Egyptians want to keep the peace treaty. Jordan is still an ally. The occupied territories...people can resent being occupied.
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Pew poll states it differently:

U.S. Wins No Friends, End of Treaty With Israel Sought
Egyptians Embrace Revolt Leaders, Religious Parties and Military, As Well
Israel fares even more poorly. By a 54%-to-36% margin, Egyptians want the peace treaty with that country annulled.
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I'm assuming you're going with the Cairo-based IDSC poll, whose veracity I doubt very highly, on top of most Egyptians desires to gain closer ties with Iran who is overwhelmingly anti-Israel.

As for Jordan, its even worse:
Fifteen years after making peace with Israel, Jordanians hold nearly unanimously negative attitudes toward Israel and by a 2-1 margin support the use of rocket attacks against the Jewish state
Even 15 years after peace was made between Israel and Jordan, Jordanians have not reconciled themselves to the existence or permanence of Israel as a Jewish state. Less than a quarter of respondents in Jordan think Israel has the right to exist, and three-quarters think Israel is “not necessarily here to stay as a permanent Jewish state.” It is not surprising, therefore, to find that most Jordanians also oppose the country’s diplomatic relations with Israel.
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While a slight majority believes the Palestinians should negotiate directly with Israel, the Jordanians continue to support terrorism and targeting civilians. In Jordan, three-quarters agree that targeting Israeli civilians or sending suicide bombers is justified to fight the occupation and defend the Palestinians.
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As for resentment of this supposed occupation of disputed land, how do you think we got to this position in the first place? This has been covered ad nauseum, but yet, you keep making the same hapless arguments not based in reality of past and current events.
 
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