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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

As we have known from the start, Netanjahu knew that the October 7th attack was coming and decided that it was politically advantageous to let it happen.
And he hid the information from the Security Chiefs

Nice to have it reiterated, though. Also, I gather Egypt gave a similar warning, so it's not just one.

What bull ◊◊◊◊ is this?

What do you say, @lionking and @smartcooky

I have $10 on them - and other genocide deniers & supporters - saying nada. It's been three weeks since the last one posted, and they've completely run out of defence, which isn't surprising given the ammunition Netanyahu, the IDF and Ben-Gvir create almost daily.

Even a billion hasbara bucks can't get people outside to Israel to say much these days.
 
No.

Genocide denier is specific and irredeemable.

Nice to see you making a cogent argument against your support of genocide, but you get 1 point for actually posting in the thread, unlike all the other names that are MIA.
 
The UN is fatally compromised by Xi and Putin's vetos. The GA and UN agencies are fatally compromised by the two thirds of members that are not liberal democracies.
 
I'm not sure what relevance you think any of that has.

Genocide is genocide, and if you want authority, why not ask a Holocaust survivor?



There are plenty more if you need them. I suggest you tell the hasbara people you need a new line of defence.
 
This looks familiar.
The two-state solution is dead. Banging on about it helps nobody. Sanctioning Israel doesn’t help a single Palestinian. Britain needs a policy with a chance of working. We need to de-recognise “Palestine” and start over from first principles.

1. Accountability for Palestinian hate preaching, antisemitic education, and pay-for-slay. Not a penny in aid or a step forward without that.

2. Back Palestinian emirates: local leaders with residents’ consent, willing to recognise Israel. No imposed puppets.

3. Fund jobs and schools that teach coexistence. Bring willing Arab partners in to share the bill.

4. Insist on genuine Palestinian self-government and reliable movement. Israel must ease restrictions on those areas as security improves.

5. Build community by community. Give Palestinians something worth protecting from militants who would wreck it.

6. Help Israel and Jordan cut Iran-linked arms routes. Protect Palestinians prepared to cooperate. Stop letting their would-be murderers dictate everyone else’s future.

Forget about a two-state solution. Israel is not going to commit national suicide just because Ed Miliband wants them to. Time for something else instead that might actually work.
 
Oh, really? I think it is time for Britain to tell Israel's government to go ◊◊◊◊ itself. And the same can be said for Milei of Argentina.

What bull ◊◊◊◊ is this?

What do you say, @lionking and @smartcooky

Seriously, a settler colony complaining about another country having a colony? (and one at that that was uninhabited at the time of claiming). That's some chutzpah.

Andy Burnham should summon the Israeli ambassador, throw him in a pit and send a note to Tel Aviv with the words "Molon labe". Okay, one can dream?

(I see that there is currently no Israeli ambassador to the UK. Keep stalling a new appointment).
 
And Chomsky and Malcolm Caldwell got what they needed to in the end for supporting similar groups to the PLO/PIJ/Hamas.
Hey Natalie, does it worry you at all that your politicians have given up all pretence and are now openly siding with obvious nazis like Milei?

If you had any morality or integrity you'd be running far, far awy from zionism; doing your best to atone for past stupidity.
 
This is the reality of the Israel-Palestinian conflict as we approach the third anniversary of the October 7 massacres. Neither Palestinians nor Israelis want a two-state solution. The Palestinians want to destroy Israel and drive out (or kill) all the Jews. The Israelis want to retain control of all of Eretz Israel (that is, Mandate Palestine), and for the Palestinians to go away, preferably through emigration.

Both sides think they can achieve their objective, and are not interested in being lectured by the UN, the US or the EU. Wars end when one side is ready to admit defeat. We are nowhere near that position.

The effect of the October 7 massacres has been to make the two-state solution impossible by polarising opinion on both sides. This was of course what Hamas and its sponsors in Iran wanted. Hamas wants a world-wide Islamic caliphate, not a Palestinian state. This is why Hamas sees itself as the victor of the Gaza War, despite its comprehensive military defeat.

This "victory" has brought nothing but death and misery to the Gaza Palestinians, who have always been no more than pawns in Iran's geopolitical game. Israel has occupied two-thirds of Gaza and will not withdraw until Hamas is disarmed. Hamas will not agree to disarmament, which would rob it of its reason for existence (to kill Jews). There is no outside force willing or able to disarm Hamas forcibly.
As a result, nearly all of Gaza's 2 million people are now confined, probably permanently, to one-third of its territory, and are totally dependent on international aid, since all of Gaza's agricultural land is in the Israeli zone.

Penny Wong is much the smartest politician in Canberra. She knows these facts as well as I do. So why does she persist in promoting the two-state solution, and accusing Israel of sabotaging it? Answer: for the same reasons she supported recognising the non-existent "State of Palestine":

* to appease Muslim voters in Labor seats, particularly in Sydney.

* to avoid giving offence to our Muslim neighbors Indonesia and Malaysia.

* to keep in good with the "global south" and promote Australia's bid for a seat on the Security Council.

Fortunately, nothing Australia says or does makes the slightest difference to the conflict. Even Trump, for all his bluster, is finding that he has very little ability to influence events. The October 7 massacres made it clear to both Israelis and Palestinians that this is a war to the death, and they will behave accordingly. The rest of the world, including Australia, will have to adjust its thinking or remain irrelevant.


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You really should not keep swallowing leftist intellectual/NGO and UN authoritan country member controlled agitprop on issues such as I-P (and when it comes to the western left, pacifism).
 
As with Caldwell and Chomsky, you and other modern hard-to-far leftists are good at spotting US/West propaganda but not propaganda from those whom you support.
 
As with Caldwell and Chomsky, you and other modern hard-to-far leftists are good at spotting US/West propaganda but not propaganda from those whom you support.

Utter baloney.

The facts are stark and unavoidable and trying to claim bias- when your own is so blatantly obvious - is past dishonest and into despicable.
 

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