General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

[The Atheist]

Religion is very real. The various beliefs of religion on the other hand...

Pedantry accepted.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows what I meant.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The genocide has nothing to do with religion

 

[The Atheist]

The genocide has nothing to do with religion

Pretty sure nobody suggested it was.

 

[llwyd]

Hmm, is this really accurate?

Senior Israeli official calls for killing of "30 to 40" people in Gaza every night: "They're not even people"

Israel's far-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir calls for nightly "targeted assassinations" in Gaza: "They're not even people."

www.cbsnews.com

edit: Posted already, so I guess true as no push-back, just silence... I just wonder about the trajectory of history, how did we end up here from never again?

 

[Helen]

Hmm, is this really accurate?

Senior Israeli official calls for killing of "30 to 40" people in Gaza every night: "They're not even people"

Israel's far-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir calls for nightly "targeted assassinations" in Gaza: "They're not even people."

www.cbsnews.com

edit: Posted already, so I guess true as no push-back, just silence... I just wonder about the trajectory of history, how did we end up here from never again?

Horrifyingly, yes.

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[The Atheist]

I just wonder about the trajectory of history, how did we end up here from never again?

It's both simple and biblical - or Torahical, if you prefer.

The "never again" is never to have another genocide of Jewish people.

Given Israel being 75% Jewish, killing all your enemies, both real and potential, makes all kinds of sense. Moses quite clearly stated that even women and children (except young girls- after all, Epstein was Jewish!) shall be put to death: Number 31:15-18.

Too easy.

 

[The Atheist]

Let the whitewashing begin!

Unfortunately for the IDF Israeli Genocide Force, recordings were made that clearly show Hind Rajab (and 15 medics) were murdered, so after back-tracking initial claims, they're conducting a criminal investigation. We can trust them, right?

I will right now offer 100:1 that no ISF member serves any prison time. They will be deeply sorry and demote someone, transfer a couple and claim justice has been done. Extenuating circumstances will be found, and it will make My Lai look like the Salem witch trials.

The recording of Hind Rajab, 5, pleading for her life shocked the world. Israel now admits soldiers fired at her car

The military said it would not launch criminal investigations into three other attacks that killed aid workers from World Central Kitchen and Doctors Without Borders.

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[The Atheist]

Ben-Gvir again: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-gvir-video-gallows-site-hanging-palestinians

Still no defenders here...

 

[angrysoba]

Hmm, is this really accurate?

Senior Israeli official calls for killing of "30 to 40" people in Gaza every night: "They're not even people"

Israel's far-right national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir calls for nightly "targeted assassinations" in Gaza: "They're not even people."

www.cbsnews.com

edit: Posted already, so I guess true as no push-back, just silence... I just wonder about the trajectory of history, how did we end up here from never again?

Yes, usually silence greets Ben Gvir's psychopathic outbursts.

Some people like to think he is merely a fringe outlier, but he sits in the frikkin' government. Any ordinary government should have thrown him out years ago along with Smotrich, and anyone who claims to be a supporter of Israel and their most moral army in the world should see him and the government that won't throw him out as absolutely shameful.

 

[angrysoba]

But let's face it, soon Israel could be at war with Turkey. If they attack a NATO member, things could get dicey. Netanyahu and co might be gambling that Trump will just allow NATO to become a paper tiger.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/syria-says-no-turkish-military-build-up-planned-airbase-struck-by-israel-2026-08-20/

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It's a type of suicide to make your plans depend on To trump doing what you need him to do

 

[gabeygoat]

Trump would absolutely fail NATO

 

[The Atheist]

We don't need no stinking NATO!

There's a new sheriff in town, baby, and his name is Trump.

 

[dann]

Anti-Zionism ≠ antisemitism

Scott Horton on bsky, Aug 22, 2026
Four in 10 American Jews say that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza consistent with the definition of genocide under the US-authored Genocide Convention. WaPo survey.

 

[dann]

Horrifyingly, yes.

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[angrysoba]

Well, presumably he speaks for the Israeli government. No condemnation from Netanyahu. Again, if he said something scandalous he would be out, wouldn't he?

Client Challenge

 

[angrysoba]

The Israeli settlers are pretty ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up, aren't they? Who agrees?

 

[The_Animus]

Some casual assault and cruelty from IDF towards Palestinian children.

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I feel like the adamant support from some here for Israel and their actions has fallen off.

 

[The Atheist]

I feel like the adamant support from some here for Israel and their actions has fallen off.

I made that very comment a while back

They love and support Israel but dare not to do it too publicly now, given the sheer weight of the ongoing atrocity.

The hasbara fund should ask for their money back.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

As we have known from the start, Netanjahu knew that the October 7th attack was coming and decided that it was politically advantageous to let it happen.
And he hid the information from the Security Chiefs

Netanyahu got an explicit warning before Oct. 7. He didn't brief security chiefs

In September '23, UAE President bin Zayed called Netanyahu to deliver a harsh warning. Netanyahu did nothing. An extensive investigation, conducted for a new book, reveals the PM's failures surrounding Oct. 7. Netanyahu: 'This is an absolute lie'

www.haaretz.com