Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Mynott]

Answer my Question.? What happened to the Deportees (Jews) sent to so called "Transit" centers. What was the reason for doing this.? Where were they resettled?

 

[Mynott]

Answer my Question.? What happened to the Deportees (Jews) sent to so called "Transit" centers. What was the reason for doing this.? Where were they resettled?

 

[TSR]

Open your eyes and mind before you're poisoned for life. The Holocaust story has changed over the past 60 years.

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As has our understanding of pretty much every historical event in the decades following its occurrence.

This is called (real) revisionism.

And yet it's only a problem for you in this case...

And BTW, the basics of what you dismiss as mere "story" have not changed, in the same way that, say, knowing the names of the people killed when the Costa Concordia ran aground changes the fact that it did.
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For some strange reason the Red Cross during WWII reported that there were no genocides in the concentration camps.

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Of course, the Red Cross reported no such thing...
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Today's Red Cross said that the WWII Red Cross lied.

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Nope. Did you even read the page to which you linked?
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Meaning the Red Cross people of the 1950's didn't reveal that the WWII Red Cross people lied. Nor did the 1960's Red Cross People, etc.

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Is the problem simply that you don't know what the word "lie" means?
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/redcross.html

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No relief action of any sort by the Red Cross in Germany or the occupied territories could have been undertaken without the approval of the authorities....Conforming to the letter, if not to the spirit of the Geneva Conventions...the Nazi government permitted the ICRC and its delegates to act on behalf of the several millions of prisoners held in the Stalags and Oflags. It refused, however, to allow any intervention on the part of the Red Cross in the concentration camps....In the face of such an obstinate refusal which covered up the horrifying reality, about which one was then ill-informed, the ICRC certainly could have made itself heard; it could have protested publicly and called on the conscience of the world. By doing so it would, however, have deprived itself of any possibility of acting in Hitler's Empire; it would have deliberately given up what chances there still remained to it to help, even in a restricted manner, the victims of the concentration camp regime. But, above all, it would have made it impossible for it to continue its activity on behalf of millions of military captives. For the Nazi leaders viewed this activity with suspicion which they would have ruthlessly suppressed on the slightest pretext.

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With which part of this are you having difficulty?
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How could the alleged gassing of a million Jewish children, women, and men for 3 consecutive years be unreported or minimized?

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Your own source explains that it was not minimized or unreported, and no one but you claims otherwise.
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How could people who risked their lives to help people during the war withhold knowledge of genocide for decades?

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It is not the job of the Red Cross to correct the historical record, nor even to add to it.

They did as they were supposed to, helping the victims and their families.
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They couldn't and didn't. PERIOD.

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They could help and did help where they could.

They could not do everything.

What do you suppose your heroes would have done had the Red Cross confronted them?

Why didn't they give the Red Cross full access to all camps, if it was all so innocent?
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[Clayton Moore]

Answer my Question.? What happened to the Deportees (Jews) sent to so called "Transit" centers. What was the reason for doing this.? Where were they resettled?

I just proved that there were no genocides in the concentration camps. So whatever happened to the Jewish children, women, and men of Europe it wasn't a genocide of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men of Europe.

 

[A'isha]

I just proved that there were no genocides in the concentration camps.

Yeah, not so much.

So whatever happened to the Jewish children, women, and men of Europe it wasn't a genocide of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men of Europe.

Then what was it? Why can't you answer Mynott's specific questions?

 

[BaaBaa]

I just proved that there were no genocides in the concentration camps. So whatever happened to the Jewish children, women, and men of Europe it wasn't a genocide of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men of Europe.

tl;dr

 

[Clayton Moore]

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Your own source explains that it was not minimized or unreported, and no one but you claims otherwise.
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I'm guessing you erred.

My source, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/redcross.html, is a Holocaust believer site.

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After decades of trying to conceal its failures during World War II, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has finally begun to open its archives and allow researchers access to documents illustrating the organization's shortcomings. We know that the Red Cross was a crucial source of information about the treatment of both civilians and POWs; however, the U.S. government's "eyes" in German-occupied territory often proved myopic. Abuses went unreported or were minimized. Whereas the U.S. government usually maintained it did not know what was happening, the Red Cross position was that it could not do anything, even about incidents of which it was aware. In what became the standard response to criticism of the ICRC behavior during the war, Roger Du Pasquier, head of the Information Department, explained:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../redcross.html


Like I said.
How could the alleged gassing of a million Jewish children, women, and men for 3 consecutive years be unreported or minimized? How could people who risked their lives to help people during the war withhold knowledge of genocide for decades?

They couldn't and didn't. PERIOD.

 

[A'isha]

Someone hit Clayton; he's stuck on repeat.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Yeah, not so much.



Then what was it? Why can't you answer Mynott's specific questions?

Let it go. Team Holocaust is beat. If you think the WWII Red Cross ignored or didn't know about 3 Jewish million people being gassed, whatever.......

 

[tsig]

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[tsig]

tl;dr

 

[tsig]

Quote:
After decades of trying to conceal its failures during World War II, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has finally begun to open its archives and allow researchers access to documents illustrating the organization's shortcomings. We know that the Red Cross was a crucial source of information about the treatment of both civilians and POWs; however, the U.S. government's "eyes" in German-occupied territory often proved myopic. Abuses went unreported or were minimized. Whereas the U.S. government usually maintained it did not know what was happening, the Red Cross position was that it could not do anything, even about incidents of which it was aware. In what became the standard response to criticism of the ICRC behavior during the war, Roger Du Pasquier, head of the Information Department, explained:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../redcross.html


Like I said.
How could the alleged gassing of a million Jewish children, women, and men for 3 consecutive years be unreported or minimized? How could people who risked their lives to help people during the war withhold knowledge of genocide for decades?

They couldn't and didn't. PERIOD.

The Red Cross records are obviously faked.

 

[TSR]

... the U.S. government's "eyes" in German-occupied territory often proved myopic. Abuses went unreported or were minimized. Whereas the U.S. government usually maintained it did not know what was happening, the Red Cross position was that it could not do anything, even about incidents of which it was aware. In what became the standard response to criticism of the ICRC behavior during the war, Roger Du Pasquier, head of the Information Department, explained:

Like I said.
How could the alleged gassing of a million Jewish children, women, and men for 3 consecutive years be unreported or minimized? How could people who risked their lives to help people during the war withhold knowledge of genocide for decades?

They couldn't and didn't. PERIOD.

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Unless you are asserting that the Red Cross is a branch of the US government, you need to try to read for comprehension.

No relief action of any sort by the Red Cross in Germany or the occupied territories could have been undertaken without the approval of the authorities...

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What would your heroes have done if ICRC had confronted them?

If it was all so innocent, why were they explicitly denied access to the death camps?

And what, exactly, did you expect the Red Cross to do?


No one has missed the fact that you don't want to talk about those items....
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[Dogzilla]

That's actually a gambit I haven't encountered before - although it would probably be folly to call it "new" - that the Jews never existed in the first place.

Wow! Think of the work load you save for yourself by just assuming that.

You never encountered that gambit before? What about those two and half million Auschwitz victims? Jeez, read a book every once in a while!

 

[SanityGap]

You never encountered that gambit before? What about those two and half million Auschwitz victims? Jeez, read a book every once in a while!

Dogz, you should read a book and then revisit your two and a half million figure. Jeez.

 

[SanityGap]

I just proved that there were no genocides in the concentration camps. So whatever happened to the Jewish children, women, and men of Europe it wasn't a genocide of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men of Europe.

The children of Drancy were seperated from their parents and put on a train(s) to Auschwitz. Care to show how many turned up after the war saying "here sir"?
No evasions, just answer the question.

 

[LemmyCaution]

I just proved that there were no genocides in the concentration camps. So whatever happened to the Jewish children, women, and men of Europe it wasn't a genocide of 6 million Jewish children, women, and men of Europe.

No, you didn't prove that at all. You linked to a discussion of ICRC war-time knowledge and actions. But that wasn't the question in the first instance. The question was what happened to Jews sent to camps. They weren't in the camps after the war. Where did they go? Answer the question you were asked.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Or didn't you read the whole thing?

It was almost 1,000 words. I'd post the whole thing for Clayton - but that would be spamming the forum, wouldn't it? That's a lot of words to read and understand. Do you really expect deniers to read a whole 988 words?

 

[LemmyCaution]

You never encountered that gambit before? What about those two and half million Auschwitz victims? Jeez, read a book every once in a while!

Which books have you read on the Holocaust, and which do you recommend most highly?

 

[Mynott]

As indicated CM your IRC information does not address The question.s I'll try again.
If Jews were merely deported and held at "Transit" camps like Treblinka then where exactly were they deported to.What became of them?.Who was responsible for their security being highly likely in a Combat zone.?Did The SS,SD and ir Wehrmacht keep records and documents of these settlements.?Were the IRC given an opportunity to visit these facilities.? Lots there CM ,dogzilla. to sift through and sort out.
Again please answer directly The questions .?!