Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[TSR]

Perhaps you should read your link before you submit it. I repeat, I don't suppose you have any information about how common it is to find hydrogen cyanide being used to fumigate houses in densely populated areas?

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I did. The answer is "Common enough for the FAO to have guidelines regarding this very thing." Maybe you should have read beyond the first sentence....
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[Wroclaw]

After the Hellish vampire Morgenthau I'm certain Adenauer thought reparations would protect the German people from liars and scum like Morgenthau.

Really? It had been six years since the war had ended. Adenauer was one of the most popular leaders Germany has ever had. Further, the point of view of Israelis at this point in history was essentially to treat Germany like it didn't exist.

So I'm wondering if you can prove this notion that Adenauer suggested reparations based on some desire to "protect the German people from liars and scum like Morgenthau."

 

[TSR]

I imagine you don't know who says from whom Konrad Adenauer was receiving pressure for reparations? I'll give you a clue: It wasn't not Jewish.

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Tell us all: what form did this "pressure" take?
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[Wroclaw]

Nobody believes the gas chamber hoax now.

Really? That must be why there are four of you guys here denying the gas chambers vs dozens who are affirming them.

Even when I as a child first saw the photos from Belsen presented as victims of the holohoax I registered that something was wrong, as the bodies were emaciated and obviously had not been gassed.

And yet they were Holocaust victims. I know you have some demented need to insist the Holocaust was entirely gas chambers, but it wasn't.

The gas chamber hoax is preposterous, it is so absurd that not even Hollywood will attempt a 'realistic' reinactment as the mechanics are impossible.

You forgot "degenerate."

Leutcher's, Rudolf's, Cole's work was necessary, but only as a formality. The hoax was obvious on its face.

Leuchter is a charlatan, Rudolf a liar, and Cole, well, who the hell knows?

 

[R.A.F.]

Nobody believes the gas chamber hoax now.

Why would you presume to do others thinking for them?

In other words, when you post "nobody believes", do you really think that is a convincing argument?...do you actually believe that EVERYONE agrees with you?

If so, you're more delusional than I thought.

 

[TSR]

After the Hellish vampire Morgenthau I'm certain Adenauer thought reparations would protect the German people from liars and scum like Morgenthau.

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Of course, you can tell us all exactly what Morgenthau actually *did* that German should require protection, vs oh, say, what the court in the Taubner case said was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially for <the> purpose?
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[Wroclaw]

Indeed. RJ van Pelt told the Errol Morris audiences that the bricks from the gas chambers were carted away by locals to be used as building materials after the war. The original bricks from the gas chambers are scattered all over the polish countryside.

We don't hear that explanation very much any more.

No, the bricks from the crematorium buildings were were carted away. If the structures in question were underground, then they caved in after destruction with TNT by the SS, and they are in the same condition today.

Given that van Pelt states these things in the movie while standing on the ruins of the gas chambers kinda makes my point.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=654178281151939378

 

[Wroclaw]

I suppose you might. What have you found?

Sorry, pal: That clearly falls under the category of your job, not mine.

 

[slowsmile]

Nobody believes the gas chamber hoax now.

And this is based on what? A Stormfront poll?

 

[Wroclaw]

Perhaps you should read your link before you submit it. I repeat, I don't suppose you have any information about how common it is to find hydrogen cyanide being used to fumigate houses in densely populated areas?

I don't see anything in TSR's link that does not support his point.

 

[little grey rabbit]

So then clearly we'll find requisitions for Zyklon-B without indicator for all the other camps in which it was used.

Right?

That's correct. The removal of indicator was global due to wartime shortages.

 

[Wroclaw]

Please prove this. To do so, you will need to provide requisitions of such. We'll wait.

P.S. NI-1210 does not indicate any camp other than Auschwitz-Birkenau.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Please prove this. To do so, you will need to provide requisitions of such. We'll wait.

P.S. NI-1210 does not indicate any camp other than Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Ahh, would I be correct that you don't read German?

 

[Moss]

That's correct. The removal of indicator was global due to wartime shortages.

Why was Zyklon B without warning agent issued to Auschwitz-Birkenau before May/June 1944?

 

[little grey rabbit]

Why was Zyklon B without warning agent issued to Auschwitz-Birkenau before May/June 1944?

Because of wartime lack of chemicals - I already said.

Have you got anything to demonstrate otherwise?

 

[Moss]

Because of wartime lack of chemicals - I already said.

Have you got anything to demonstrate otherwise?

I am not the person making that claim...

 

[little grey rabbit]

I am not the person making that claim...

Yes you are.

You are claiming
a. That Degesch supplied Zyklon B without warnstoff prior to May 1944 and only to Auschwitz. Prove it
b. That this removal was directly for the purposes of facilitating murder. Prove it.

 

[Wroclaw]

Thanks for the late edit. You're aware, I'm sure, that the telegram you post does not indicate any location at all, right?

Degesch sent a telegram to Dessauer Werke, the factory where Zyklon-B was actually produced, to tell them to continue producing Zyklon-B without an indicator. No camps are mentioned. However, we do know that trucks ran between Dessau and Auschwitz to transport Zyklon-B.

Bunny's next gambit will be to tell us all that Pressac produced this document as proof that, in fact, Zyklon-B was being made without indicator because of a shortage. However, Pressac also writes:

The Degesch laboratory people, who had remained at Frankfurt, would have liked to replace it by a chlorinated carbon dioxide ester with a suffocating effect, but the Friedburg management decided to produce Zyklon-B with no warning agent. (Technique, p. 17)

I.e., they could still have added an irritant or some other chemical that would warn human beings of danger. They did not.

Perhaps Bunny will, after that, try the gambit that the Klarsfelds, in publishing Technique, screwed up the printing of this particular page on purpose?

How'm I doing?

 

[Wroclaw]

Oh, and Bunny, tell us the date on NI-1210.

Thanks!

 

[Wroclaw]

Ahh, would I be correct that you don't read German?

No, I do read German. You just didn't post your document before I'd made my post. The fact that you edited your post indicates this, donut?