Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Cyrix686]

Moore, are you incapable of concentrating?

 

[Wroclaw]

Clayton, I suggest you read this:

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/techniques/NI9912d.html

I suggest that you bear in mind while reading it that VHO is a denial Web site.

 

[Wroclaw]

Incidentally, Clayton, you are going against seventy years of Holocaust denial by claiming that Zyklon-B wasn't dangerous enough to use as a gassing agent.

 

[Wroclaw]

You know what? I'll do you one better:

Blausäure hat fast keine Warnwirkung, daher ist sie hochgiftig und hochgefährlich . Blausäure gehört zu den stärksten Giften. 1 mg pro kg -- Körpergewicht genügt, um einen Menschen zu töten. Kinder und Frauen sind im allgemeinen empfindlicher als Männer. Ganz geringe Mengen von Blausäure schaden dem Menschen nicht, auch bei stetiger Atmung. Vögel und Fische sind besonders empfindlich gegen Blausäure.

Translated:

Hydrocyanic acid has almost no warning odor, so it is highly toxic and very dangerous. Hydrocyanic acid is one of the strongest poisons. One milligram per kilogram of body weight is enough to kill human beings. Women and children are generally more susceptible than men. Very small quantities of hydrocyanic acid is not harmful to human beings, even if inhaled continuously. Birds and fish are particularly sensitive to hydrocyanic acid.

Now tell us all why Degesch had documents on file in which the SS had ordered Zyklon B without the warning odor in it?

 

[Wroclaw]

Saying 1800 people could be killed with it in 20 minutes is on par with an American POW being used for propaganda saying Babe Ruth or Willie Mays or Stan Musial sucks.

Who says that 1,800 people were gassed with Zyklon B in 20 minutes?

By the way, Willie Mays turned 14 years old two days before the war ended.

 

[tsig]

So they decided who was to be gassed after they got off the train?
Leaving more people to die in the crowded trains?

Really?


The trains just sat there? Very cost effective.

Why would they car how many died in the trains?

Ever seen a train unloading?

Hint (they have to stop)

 

[Clayton Moore]

Incidentally, Clayton, you are going against seventy years of Holocaust denial by claiming that Zyklon-B wasn't dangerous enough to use as a gassing agent.

Holohoax revisionism didn't start until the MSM began to assist in spreading the obvious lies and fabrications.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Who says that 1,800 people were gassed with Zyklon B in 20 minutes?

By the way, Willie Mays turned 14 years old two days before the war ended.

By the way Vietnam POWs had a lot of exposure to Willie Mays.

 

[Nick Terry]

Holohoax revisionism didn't start until the MSM began to assist in spreading the obvious lies and fabrications.

I think you'll find you're just as hopelessly clueless about the history of your own belief as you are about the history of the Holocaust.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Who says that 1,800 people were gassed with Zyklon B in 20 minutes?

Rudolf Höss

According to Rudolf Höss, commandant of Auschwitz, bunker 1 held 800 people, and bunker 2 held 1,200.[27] Once the chamber was full, the doors were screwed shut and solid pellets of Zyklon B were dropped into the chambers through vents in the side walls, releasing the cyanide gas. Those inside died within 20 minutes

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Really?

The trains just sat there? Very cost effective.

Franciszek Zabecki / stationmaster at Treblinka
Twenty wagons were uncoupled from the train, and a shunting engine began to push them along the spur-line into the camp. A short while later it returned empty. This procedure was repeated twice more, until all sixty wagons had been shunted into the camp, and out again.

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/zabecki.html

 

[Clayton Moore]

I think you'll find you're just as hopelessly clueless about the history of your own belief as you are about the history of the Holocaust.

http://www.codoh.com/revision.html

What is Holocaust Revisionism? : A Series of Introductory Essays

LEFT: Original photo published in The Auschwitz Album (New York: Random House, 1981), p. 126 (photo 183). It shows Hungarian Jews shortly after their arrival at Auschwitz.



RIGHT: In 1997 the Simon Wiesenthal Center (SWC) posted the same photo on its Website captioned: "As these prisoners were being processed for slave labor, many of their friends and families were being gassed and burned in the ovens in the crematoria. The smoke can be seen in the background." It is dated "June 0, [sic] 1944."

The smoke is faked. It's been airbrushed in. There is no smoke to be seen in any Allied photo taken of Auschwitz -Birkenau during 1944. It is well known that crematoria do not emit such smoke. In this ludicrous and fraudulent artwork the "smoke" appears to be coming from a fence post.

After this fakery was exposed on the Web, the SWC cut the ONE LINE in its caption referring to "smoke," and the altered photo was replaced with the original.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center is the top of the Holohoax lying chain.

How did they think they could get away with such an obvious forgery/misrepresentation/lie?

Because they know that 99% of the people who see and form an opinion of Germans from the fraudulent presentation by the Simon Wiesenthal Center will ever learn that it was a forgery.

That is true of the many lies and fabrications that have been spread over the past 70 years. You'll never hear of a Holocaust historian making good those lies by publicizing them to MOST of the people they were spread to.

The Spielberg movie was a complete lie. Will the Holocaust community fess up? No way. They will LIE by omission.

How about Irene Zisblatt whose story is a complete fabrication? She has been visiting America schools for many years. Why is she allowed to spread her lies to children?



http://www.thelantern.com/campus/ho...that-moment-i-had-hope-1.2229731#.TrHETXLvaCY

Holocaust survivor: 'For that moment, I had hope'

By Victoria Johnston

johnston.517@osu.edu

Published: Tuesday, May 17, 2011

Updated: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 23:05

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Irene Zisblatt

Daniel Zaas / Lantern photographer

Irene Zisblatt, an author and Holocaust survivor, tells the story of how she survived a death camp, Dr. Josef Mengele’s experiments and a death march to students at the Hillel Center in Columbus, Ohio, on Tuesday.

Even in the hardest of times, Holocaust survivor Irene Zisblatt found hope.

 

[Nick Terry]

Clayton, your post doesn't even begin to reply coherently to my post.

You said:

Holohoax revisionism didn't start until the MSM began to assist in spreading the obvious lies and fabrications.

which is flat-out wrong. Again. As usual. Holocaust denial started at the latest by 1948 with Maurice Bardeche. It has a history, which clearly you know nothing about.

Trying to change the subject won't make you any less wrong about this.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Clayton, your post doesn't even begin to reply coherently to my post.

You said:



which is flat-out wrong. Again. As usual. Holocaust denial started at the latest by 1948 with Maurice Bardeche. It has a history, which clearly you know nothing about.

Trying to change the subject won't make you any less wrong about this.

The term Holocaust denial is just hater crap.

Holocaust revisionism began around the 70's when the MSM started Shoah Business.

 

[LemmyCaution]

For as long as they were on the trains, yes.

Again, if Clayton Moore would ever pick up a book or actually read something on the Web, he would know that there is abundant testimony about the conditions on the trains, including the lack of facilities and the consequences, to put it politely. The Nazis just didn't give a . . . hoot . . . about the conditions for Jews being brought to the camps.

 

[Wroclaw]

By the way Vietnam POWs had a lot of exposure to Willie Mays.

While they were busy losing, I suppose they had a lot of free time, eh?

 

[Wroclaw]

Rudolf Höss

Yes, that's two thousand, actually, though I don't know why I would think you could do simple arithmetic.

I thought you meant in one gas chamber. Höss was speaking of two gas chambers.

 

[Wroclaw]

The term Holocaust denial is just hater crap.

Holocaust revisionism began around the 70's when the MSM started Shoah Business.

Boy, if it weren't against the rules, I would tell someone how stupid I think he is.

 

[Nick Terry]

The term Holocaust denial is just hater crap.

Holocaust revisionism began around the 70's when the MSM started Shoah Business.

And you're still wrong, even if you change the terms.

I suggest you look up a guy named Paul Rassinier, check the dates of his books, and then just to underscore the point, see how many times he's mentioned in the VHO search engine.

(Clue: it's more often than Butz)

 

[Corsair 115]

There are two kinds of lies, heroic lies ('I was captain of my high school football team' (Saggy)) and degenerate lies (I forced my former neighbors into the gas chambers' (Wiernik)). Heroic lies are lies about heroism, strength, nobility, accomplishment, etc. Degenerate lies are lies about weakness, victimhood, debasement, depravity, etc. The holohoax lies are degenerate lies.

Given the above, one must then also call you a degenerate liar for your repeated claims of a fantastical worldwide Jewish conspiracy which controls the media, academia, and everything else.

Saggy himself is, by his own criteria, a degenerate liar. Saggy is a degenerate liar. I must admit, it does have a nice ring to it...