Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[TSR]

That's just crapola.

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Really?

*That's* the very best you could do to counter the evidence presented?

Here, let me show you how we big kids do it:

"The Krege report is crapola and therefore proof of nothing at all because Krege has had no training nor shown any expertise in the field of GPR usage in an archaeological investigation. A recognized expert in the field (in fact, he wrote *the* textbook on the subject) has stated that where the single field Krege released is useful at all, it does not show what Krege has claimed that it does. Add to this the fact that several years later Krege *still* has not released his raw data to be analysed and one can only assume that someone claiming that Krege was even in the right general geographical location to have done as he said (remember, he found no evidence of any soil disturbance since the last Ice Age despite the fact that no one disputes that a camp was there, was demolished, was turned into a farm and so plowed, and was subject to looters who used explosives in an attempt to expose the said loot) is either posting a knowing untruth, is as completely incompetent as Krege zirself seems to have been, or is deluded due to a medical or psychological condition for which they should seek help."

So, which do you prefer we assume about your posts: lying, incompetent or fundamentally unable to distinguish fact from your fantasies? Because your claims that Krege proved anything at all have been shown to be ... how did you put it, again?






Oh, yeah: crapola.
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[MG1962]

That's just crapola.

Well Mathew you picked that in one

 

[LemmyCaution]

That's just crapola.

Clayton's best and most persuasive argument.

 

[Hans]

Clayton's best and most persuasive argument.

When all he's got is denial - what exactly would you like him to say?

Clayton - how about aaa, actually doing, ya know, that 'revision' thing, LOL

 

[Dogzilla]

No evidence?
1) We have the pits the bodies were first buried in
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg

What's funny about this photograph is that it's one of the best photographs of the mass graves at Treblinka. What is visible in this photograph that makes it clear that it's a mass grave and not five guys urinating against a pile of dirt? At least the British photographed something that looks like a mass grave at Belsen.

2) We have the 2,000 square metres of human ash.....the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (Justice Lukaszkiewicz)

Meaningless drivel without the second dimension. We've been over this already. And wasn't it 20,000 square meters of human ash?

3) We have the actual "worker" eye witnesses talking about actually doing it(Oskar Strawczynski) The graves could never be emptied entirely, because blood mixed with water accumulated at the bottom. Motorized pumps were set up to draw it out. However, they could never manage to drain the bottom few meters, and so the graves were simply covered over

(Abraham Krzepicki) ....These ditches were 60 or 70 meters long. They were also very deep, but I could not tell how deep they were because the ditches to which we had been assigned were already filled with many layers of corpses. The graves remained open through the night and the next day more bodies were piled into them. While I was in Treblinka, only the small ditch to the left, where I had worked on the first day, was closed. By the time we came out there in the morning, the excavator was already in operation, and digging out new giant graves.

4) We have the SS C.O. of the camp talking about the burial pits. (Franz Stangl) "it was always a huge mass… they were naked, packed together, running, being driven with whips" & "I think it started the day I first saw the Totenlager in Treblinka. I remember Wirth standing there, next to the pits full of blue-black corpses.

Blah, blah, blah. Eyewitness testimony unsubstantiated by physical evidence that would necessarily exist is worthless. It doesn't matter how many people testify to watching water run uphill, water doesn't run uphill.

You are simply denying evidence.

No, you are simply denying lack of evidence.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Re Photo of Justice Łukaszkiewicz in 7.5 metre excavated mass grave

What's funny about this photograph is that it's one of the best photographs of the mass graves at Treblinka. What is visible in this photograph that makes it clear that it's a mass grave and not five guys urinating against a pile of dirt? At least the British photographed something that looks like a mass grave at Belsen.

That's OK Dogzilla. The rest of us read the accompanying text by Justice Łukaszkiewicz that explains what's going on in the photo. You are a denier. No one expects you to read the accompanying report as it is against "cult rules".

Re: 2 hectares of Forensic Human Ash at Treblinka

Meaningless drivel without the second dimension. We've been over this already. And wasn't it 20,000 square meters of human ash?

The human ash comes out of the 7.5 metre deep empty pits and the rail burnings and was probably spread during the golden harvest. The height of ash in this photo is about a metre if that helps you. What heights have you deduced from the other eight photos?
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_pVXrYi8s2rM/TasFmYdK-oI/AAAAAAAAE9Q/6ZvEHOib3j8/Treblinka_1945[3].jpg


Re: Eye witness testimony of camp workers

Blah, blah, blah. Eyewitness testimony unsubstantiated by physical evidence that would necessarily exist is worthless. It doesn't matter how many people testify to watching water run uphill, water doesn't run uphill.

Bad news. I gave those exact quotes because they were substantiated. Łukaszkiewicz independently found human tissue material at the bottom of the mass graves which suggest they were not fully emptied for burning. The quote is from a slave worker from during the burning period explaining why they could not clear the bottoms of the mass pits. That is called independent confirmation.

So that's it from you isn't it? You are a just a denier with the same brain processing power as Clayton Moore. Good luck with the cult!

 

[Matthew Ellard]

That's just crapola.

That's terrific Clayton. You should become a lawyer for the holocaust denial cult with these brilliant rebuttal skills.

 

[Corsair 115]

Now, were all the people killed in Rwanda murdered, buried, dug up, burned, and reburied within a twelve acre plot of land that shows no evidence of this activity? Then there's really no comparison, is there?

You appear to be confused. Let me refresh your memory as to why the Rwanda genocide reference came up.

It started with your general disbelief that some 5-6 million Jews could have been killed by the Nazi regime. You doubted the logistics were possible, as typified below:

The obvious problem is that these calculations (if they are indeed correct) prove that people could be transported. It in no way addresses the question of how many people could be gassed and cremated.

I responded with this observation:

Killing an average of 5,500 people per day equals about 165,000 killed in a month, which in turn is some 2 million killed in a year. Is 5,500 deaths per day, whether from shooting, gassing, starvation, disease, or being worked to death, impossible to achieve when spread across all of occupied Europe and a myriad of camps?

The tragedy in Rwanda was then cited as an example of an often low-tech extermination that killed an average of 5,000 people per day. Clearly, if the logistics of killing a large number of people is not a problem for a small, relatively poor nation, then it ought not to have been a problem for a economically developed, industrialized nation like Nazi-controlled Germany (and the territory it occupied).



By the way, are you ever going to justify and explain the following?

No I won't because the answer is obvious. Start with unconditional surrender and track the evolution of German society from that point forward.

You've been challenged on this by myself and other posters but have thus far avoided expanding upon your thesis. You might start with what unconditional surrender in and of itself has to do with anything (as you subsequently referenced it again in post #5150.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Meaningless drivel without the second dimension.

You mean third dimension. 20,000 square metres of human ash is two dimensions. ( Sorry, this was simply bugging me although I understand it was just a typo and not what you meant)

 

[TSR]

Nah, the Fuehrer Dimension:

When the loons are in the seventh house
......And Germany aligns with Butz

...Then Jooos won't rule the planet
.........And denial won't make you a putz...

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

It doesn't matter how many people testify to watching water run uphill, water doesn't run uphill.

But people do die when stuffed in a concrete chamber and then flooded with toxic gas.

 

[Clayton Moore]

In the same time-frame, many thousands of German academics have emigrated to take up positions in universities worldwide, and not one of them has uttered a peep in support of denial.

The people on behalf of whom revisionist loonies pretend to be crusading don't want to know.

Sardonic tongue in cheek from Terry?

Curious and telling choices of words here by Terry?

Not a peep

by my recollection is used most often in a few general ways.

A veiled threat "I don't want to hear a peep out of any of you."

A brave silence "he suffered the pain without a peep so that the others would not become alarmed."

Validation that there is more to be revealed "Oh please, just one peep?" A quick or furtive look.


The people don't want to know.

Sounds a lot like "don't ask if you know what's good for you."

When you see a http://www.australiasigns.com.au/safety/minpic/rbw-electric-fence.jpg

do you read it out loud or touch it to verify it?

Edited by Loss Leader: 

Edited to remove hotlink.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

When you see a [qimg]http://www.australiasigns.com.au/safety/minpic/rbw-electric-fence.jpg[/qimg]

do you read it out loud or touch it to verify it?

Do you?

You're the one arguing that there is no electric fence unless someone shows you an electrocuted corpse (and even then you deny it).

 

[Wroclaw]

The tragedy in Rwanda was then cited as an example of an often low-tech extermination that killed an average of 5,000 people per day. Clearly, if the logistics of killing a large number of people is not a problem for a small, relatively poor nation, then it ought not to have been a problem for a economically developed, industrialized nation like Nazi-controlled Germany (and the territory it occupied).

Indeed, and it becomes easier still when the government in question that is carrying out the genocide has expended great effort in defining and demonizing the enemy to be destroyed —*as had been done in Nazi-dominated Europe and in Rwanda.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Do you?

You're the one arguing that there is no electric fence unless someone shows you an electrocuted corpse (and even then you deny it).

You missed the point. The electric fence is the consequence of a German disputing the details of the Holocaust.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Indeed, and it becomes easier still when the government in question that is carrying out the genocide has expended great effort in defining and demonizing the enemy to be destroyed —*as had been done in Nazi-dominated Europe and in Rwanda.

Of course no one, even the IRC just yards away, knew at the time that over tens of thousands of Jewish people were being gassed to death daily.

 

[Wroclaw]

Of course no one, even the IRC just yards away, knew at the time that over tens of thousands of Jewish people were being gassed to death daily.

I want you to read this:

On 23 June 1944, an ICRC delegate, Dr. Maurice Rossel, went to Theresienstadt. His visit was carefully orchestrated. He walked through the ghetto under the escort of SS officers, but he did not have the opportunity to talk with the Jewish people there, nor to get inside the fortress. Two representatives of the Danish government also took part in the visit.

On 27 September 1944, Dr Rossel went to Auschwitz. There he spoke to the commander of the camp, but he was not authorized to go inside it.

Here's the source:

http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/history-holocauste-020205.htm

Dr. Rossel did not visit Birkenau at all. Birkenau is 4 km from Auschwitz.

 

[Wroclaw]

You missed the point. The electric fence is the consequence of a German disputing the details of the Holocaust.

For the ninety-thousandth *****' time, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historikerstreit

 

[Clayton Moore]

I want you to read this:



Here's the source:

http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/history-holocauste-020205.htm

Dr. Rossel did not visit Birkenau at all. Birkenau is 4 km from Auschwitz.

Neither did my dad who spent a good deal of his WWII USN time in a military hospital stateside.

Recently, the Holocausters forced the IRC to confess that they didn’t report all the abuse of Jews in the camps for fear that the Germans might deny them access to the camps, or even overrun Switzerland. (Not very likely.)

For those who can still think, that means that—at long last—the Holocausters have acknowledged the fact that the IRC had access to all the Concentration Camps during the war; had inspected all the camps during the war; and the IRC knew of the conditions that existed in all the camps during the war. In short, an acknowledgment of the expertise of the IRC on the subject of Concentration Camps.

By forcing the IRC to confess to a "moral failure" by not reporting any abuse of Jews in the camps, the Holocausters have no choice but to accept the IRC’s number of deaths in the camps at 273,000. Having certified the IRC as experts in the matter the Holocausters are stuck with their experts’ findings.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Oth...-Jews-Holocaust-General/Holohoax-JoeStano.htm

This article was copied from the December 1997 issue of Liberty Bell, POB 21, Reedy WV 25270.

 

[Clayton Moore]

For the ninety-thousandth *****' time, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historikerstreit

That's like arguing/debating the motives of the West Memphis 3.