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Corsair 115 said:
But the Nazi regime made anti-semitism official government policy.
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Well, that's true enough. But even here the Jews manage to turn the thing into a joke, crying crocodile tears because the Nuremberg Laws made it illegal for Germans and Jews to marry ....


"he major impact of the Nuremberg Laws was to isolate the Jewish and Romani populations and to effectively bar marriages between Jews and other racially "unfit" groups, and Germans. To marry in Germany, a couple was required to demonstrate the purity of their genetic heritage. In disputed or questionable cases local commissions or courts determined if the amount of Jewish blood in a family's history was sufficient to deny a marriage license."

While in Israel today marriage between a Jew and a non-Jew is strictly verboten ! What's the difference?
 
Saggy said:
Well, that's true enough. But even here the Jews manage to turn the thing into a joke, crying crocodile tears because the Nuremberg Laws made it illegal for Germans and Jews to marry ....


"he major impact of the Nuremberg Laws was to isolate the Jewish and Romani populations and to effectively bar marriages between Jews and other racially "unfit" groups, and Germans. To marry in Germany, a couple was required to demonstrate the purity of their genetic heritage. In disputed or questionable cases local commissions or courts determined if the amount of Jewish blood in a family's history was sufficient to deny a marriage license."

While in Israel today marriage between a Jew and a non-Jew is strictly verboten ! What's the difference?
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Good point.
 
While in Israel today marriage between a Jew and a non-Jew is strictly verboten ! What's the difference?
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While in Israel today marriage between a Muslim woman and a man of any other faith is strictly verboten.

While in Israel today marriage between a Greek Orthodox Christian and a non-Orthodox Christian (except for Catholics) is strictly verboten.

The answer is that there's no civil marriage in Israel. Religious authorities, therefore, set the rules.

While in Pakistan today marriage between a Muslim woman and a man of any faith is strictly verboten. Sorry, make that ANY Muslim country.

While in Pakistan today marriage between a Muslim man and a Sikh or Hindu or Parsi (despite the first Head of State of Pakistan having been married to one) is strictly verboten.

But no outcry about that one, sadly.

Double standard, anyone?
 
Wroclaw said:
While in Israel today marriage between a Muslim woman and a man of any other faith is strictly verboten.

While in Israel today marriage between a Greek Orthodox Christian and a non-Orthodox Christian (except for Catholics) is strictly verboten.

The answer is that there's no civil marriage in Israel. Religious authorities, therefore, set the rules.

While in Pakistan today marriage between a Muslim woman and a man of any faith is strictly verboten. Sorry, make that ANY Muslim country.

While in Pakistan today marriage between a Muslim man and a Sikh or Hindu or Parsi (despite the first Head of State of Pakistan having been married to one) is strictly verboten.

But no outcry about that one, sadly.

Double standard, anyone?
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To a cospiracist, having double standards is a good thing; you have twice the standards of everyone else. (stolen from a sig line, but I can't remember the poster at this moment.)
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
I read this story just now and it brought tears to my eyes.

She was Jewish, but to live she needed a Christian name.

She could not be Natalie Leya Weinstein, not in wartime Warsaw. Her father wrote her new name on a piece of paper.

Natalie Yazinska.

Her mother, Sima, sobbed.

"The little one must make it," Leon Weinstein told his wife. "We got no chance. But the little one, she is special. She must survive."

He fixed a metal crucifix to a necklace and hung it on their daughter. On the paper, he scrawled another fiction: "I am a war widow, and I have no way of taking care of her. I beg of you good people, please take care of her. In the name of Jesus Christ, he will take care of you for this."

A cold wind cut at the skin that December morning, so Leon Weinstein bundled Natalie, 18 months old, in heavy pants and a thick wool sweater. He headed for a nearby apartment, the home of a lawyer and his wife. The couple did not have a child. Weinstein hoped they wanted one.

He lay Natalie on their front step. Tears ran down his cheeks. You will make it, he thought. She had blond locks and blue eyes. They will think you are a Gentile, not one of us.

Walking away, he could hear her whimper, but forced himself not to look back until he crossed the street. Then he turned and saw a man step out of the apartment. The man read Weinstein's note. He puzzled over the baby.

Cradling Natalie in his arms, the man walked half a block to a police station and disappeared inside.

Weinstein was beside himself.

What if the Gestapo took her from the police?

What if they decided that she was a Jew?

Today, at his small Spanish-style home in Mid-City, Weinstein, 101, recalls in agonizing detail what it was like to give up his baby in 1941 amid the Nazi juggernaut. He is frail, but his wit and memory are keen. He remembers well what followed: killing Germans, dodging death, hunting for Natalie.

Holocaust scholars vouch for his account, calling him one of the last living fighters from the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, almost certainly the oldest.

For years, Weinstein kept his memories buried.

No more.​

Those of you who deny the Holocaust, God damn you all to hell.
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What garbage. 101 Revelations the movie.

It's scary that the Holocaustics here and Holocaust scholars accept obvious lies as their true history. It shows how superior they feel to non Jews.

Holocaust scholars vouch for his account, calling him one of the last living fighters from the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, almost certainly the oldest.
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Not one mention of jumping out of the window whopper.
 
Clayton Moore said:
What garbage.

It's scary that the Holocaustics here and Holocaust scholars accept obvious lies as their true history. It shows how superior they feel to non Jews.
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You mean like your lies about THHP and Krege?
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Clayton Moore said:
Not one mention of jumping out of the window whopper.
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Got any of that, you know, evidence thingy showing that any of this was objectively impossible and therefore a knowing untruth?

You know, like the evidence that you cannot point us to an actually study by Krege or even the raw data from zir survey, making your claim that zir work "proves" anything a lie that you cannot point to a single lie on the THHP site, making your claim that *they* are the liars itself a lie?

My apologies once again for not being allowed to use the obvious shorthand term for a person who knowingly posts untruths. Apparently someone finds that term uncivil, demonstrated and deserved as it is.
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Saggy said:
It only reaches the level of absurdity when the Israeli Jews shed crocodile tears over the injustice of the Nuremberg laws.
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No, the absurdity is comparing no law at all (Israeli marriage) with laws (note the plural) explicitly denying certain rights to perceived member of a certain group.

But then, without dishonest absurdity, Jew haters could not even attempt to pretend that their irrational hatred had any basis in reality...
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Saggy said:
It only reaches the level of absurdity when the Israeli Jews shed crocodile tears over the injustice of the Nuremberg laws.
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Not surprisingly, you feel to see the difference between laws based in religion (Israel, Pakistan, the Muslim world at large, the Orthodox churches, etc.) and laws based in race (Nazi Germany).

If a Jew converts to Islam or Christianity, then s/he may legally marry a person of that same faith in Israel. Sam with the other two faiths. Same thing with Islam in the Muslim countries.

In Nazi Germany, a Jew was a Jew, regardless of his/her religious faith.
 
Little Grey Rabbit So you say:

Anyway, it appears Leon Weinstein killed one of the very few Germans to have died in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising (2 of them were by Russian bombs)
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Ah so you accept the Stroop Report. That disgusting celebration of mass murder. In it Stroop says that 7,000 Jews were killed in the course of clearing the ghetto and c. 6,000were killed by fire and explosions. Stroop wastes his time in his report celebrating his "heroic" feat in taking a mere c. 4 weeks to clear out a small area inhabited by poorly armed civilians with a couple of thousand very heavily armed men. And is booty is so impressive 59 pistols and 9, count em, 9 rifles!! Stroop claimed a mere total of 15 dead. A figure that should raise hackles of disbelief. Given that Stroop was a fanatical Nazi and the report designed to sooth the feelings of higher up who were most disatisfied that the whole operation took so long.

Even so it was a one sided mass murder operation. If Stroop's figures are anything to go on this was and is clearly a war crime. Among the "booty" taken was 600 pairs of used trousers. The report is not just stomach turning it is pathetic.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Not one mention of jumping out of the window whopper.
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Dropping a full grown adult jew on someone from a second story window is likely to be severely injurious at best.

Having ones skull shatter on pavement after having a grown jew dropped on them is most likely to be fatal.

There is nothing in Wiensteins account that is extraordinary given the circumstances, and it is accepted by Holocaust historians.
 
Pacal said:
Little Grey Rabbit So you say:



Ah so you accept the Stroop Report. That disgusting celebration of mass murder. In it Stroop says that 7,000 Jews were killed in the course of clearing the ghetto and c. 6,000were killed by fire and explosions. Stroop wastes his time in his report celebrating his "heroic" feat in taking a mere c. 4 weeks to clear out a small area inhabited by poorly armed civilians with a couple of thousand very heavily armed men. And is booty is so impressive 59 pistols and 9, count em, 9 rifles!! Stroop claimed a mere total of 15 dead. A figure that should raise hackles of disbelief. Given that Stroop was a fanatical Nazi and the report designed to sooth the feelings of higher up who were most disatisfied that the whole operation took so long.

Even so it was a one sided mass murder operation. If Stroop's figures are anything to go on this was and is clearly a war crime. Among the "booty" taken was 600 pairs of used trousers. The report is not just stomach turning it is pathetic.
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No, I don't accept the Stroop report. Why do you seem so desperate to imply I do?

You might enjoy this thread, Pacall

http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/11481/Spot-the-differences
 
Wroclaw said:
Not surprisingly, you feel to see the difference between laws based in religion (Israel, Pakistan, the Muslim world at large, the Orthodox churches, etc.) and laws based in race (Nazi Germany).

If a Jew converts to Islam or Christianity, then s/he may legally marry a person of that same faith in Israel. Sam with the other two faiths. Same thing with Islam in the Muslim countries.

In Nazi Germany, a Jew was a Jew, regardless of his/her religious faith.
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In Israel a Jew is a Jew regardless of his/her religious faith. It is a matter of race.

Where you from, bro, you don't seem to know nuthin !
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
You should ask Kurt Streeter of the Los Angeles Times. He is the one who wrote the story.

I'm glad we agree though that nazi war criminals can be killed by falling jews.
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The catagories of "possible" and "plausible" are quite distinct.

Anyway I have done what you suggested

Dear Mr Streeter,

Thank you for your informative tale regarding Mr Leon Weinstein. It has let to some discussion at the James Randi forum.
Starting here
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202147&page=125

You claim that holocaust historians endorse Mr Weinstein's story. What was your methodology for determining this? How many and who precisely think this story is credible. I myself am no mean Holocaust scholar. Check my blog http://littlegreyrabbit.wordpress.com for more details.

Best wishes
Grey

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"Reading these horrifying descriptions of the Illuminati as well as the denunciation of
a directorate of Unknown Superiors capable of ruling the world, Napoleon did not
hesitate: he decided to join them."
Umberto Eco: Foucault's Pendulum
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I will of course immediately inform you of any reply.
 
TSR said:
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Got any of that, you know, evidence thingy showing that any of this was objectively impossible and therefore a knowing untruth?
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A claim doesn't need to be "objectively impossible" in order to be a "knowing untruth." It's a "knowing untruth" if the person saying it knows it isn't true.

Or, are you refining the holomantra of 'some things are true that never happened' to mean that telling a lie is the same as telling the truth as long as the lie is something that is possible?
 
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