Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Nick Terry]

Van Pelt's statement quoted, indeed the whole article, is sheer idiocy. Complete nonsense. Anyone with half a functioning brain can see that.

Anyone with half a functioning brain can see that you have repeatedly misunderstood Pelt's statement, and you repeatedly cite it selectively.

Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove . . . it has become part of our inherited knowledge.
I don't think that the Holocaust is an exceptional case in that sense.

So that means 99% of what we know about the past as a whole, we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove.

Which is quite true - because virtually everything mentioned in newspapers or chronicles through the ages cannot leave a physical trace other than on paper or another recording medium, which then ceases to be 'physical evidence' in the sense you insist on using.

There is no 'physical evidence' of any cabinet meeting, any session of Parliament, Congress, the Reichstag or Supreme Soviet, any diplomatic summit or congress, any boadroom meeting, any battlefield staff conference, any church synod or conclave.... and virtually all of them are not even recorded in audio or video.

99% of what transpires in a war does not leave any 'physical evidence' for archaeologists to find.

In any discipline other than holohoax studies this idiot would laughed off the stage.

please tell us the last time that political scientists, sociologists or economists used 'physical evidence'. Clue: they don't.

And please tell us how often historians - as opposed to archaeologists - refer to physical evidence in the average book on wars or even genocides and mass murders.

Let's start with the Eastern Front and Stalinism, both of which cost more lives than the Holocaust. Tell us how much of what is written in the standard works on those subjects comes from physical evidence.

Instead, as one of the few academic shabbos goys willing to prostitute himself in the service of Zionism, he is a 'respected scholar'.

Doubly wrong. Firstly, Van Pelt is Jewish. Secondly, if he was non-Jewish, he'd hardly be alone since a numerical majority of historians who have written about the Holocaust are not Jewish - they're mainly German.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

That 'Ninety-nine' quote has come up before and just as out of context as it is here, has it not?

You are absolutly right.

It's interesting to see saggy on an endless repeat of the same old lies. And this guy is complaining about the "lies" of the evil jews. Did someone say "irony"?

 

[ddt]

And, incidentally, Van Pelt is arguing for destroying the physical evidence that does exist, the camp itself ! Of course we know the actual history of Auschwitz from the captured documents, so it's too late for Van Pelt and the others who want to destory the physical evidence of the actual history of the camp. But the fact that he argues for destroying evidence is perfectly in step with the Zionist program.

What kind of conspiracy are you trying to advance here? There's lots and lots of photo and video material of the camp throughout the years, so what extra function does it serve to preserve it? And neither will destruction - or withering away - of the physical remains change that photographic testimony.

After all, we also know that Caesar was murdered in the Roman Senate, though that Senate does not exist anymore, let alone Caesar's blood spatters are around. Numerous Roman historians have written about that event, and listed the conspirators, and we contend with that written testimony. It's much and much less than the abundance of evidence we have of the Holocaust.

 

[Nick Terry]

Hey everybody, this thread has reached 100 pages.

That deserves some kind of commemoration and acknowledgement. It'd be interesting to see how many people posted on either side - especially since some of the deniers fell by the wayside due to being 24-carat asses and getting themselves banned. But hey, Thunder got nobbled, too.

If anyone wants to help go through the monstrosity (I dunno, take 20 pages each?) and compile a roll-call, please drop me a PM - or PM me a list.

I guess the other thing we have to ask is, why are we tolerating the blatant repetition from the deniers? The last few posts aren't exactly the first time the Pelt quote-mine has been wheeled out. 'Yehuda Bauer' gets 65 hits in this forum across multiple threads - shurely we've heard THAT one before... not to mention more than a few repetitions of the 'Eisenhower Churchill de Gaulle' meme. Or the Krema I bullflop.

It may be hard for the deniers to understand, but boring your readers to death is not really the best way to win friends and influence people...

 

[carlitos]

If anyone wants to help go through the monstrosity (I dunno, take 20 pages each?) and compile a roll-call, please drop me a PM - or PM me a list.

If you click the sub-forum (conspiracy theories), then click the number to the right under "replies" it shows you the post count. Useful if you want to look for a particular member's posts.

Username Posts
Wroclaw 483
LemmyCaution 424
Clayton Moore 395
MG1962 262
little grey rabbit 223
dafydd 198
kageki 185
TSR 182
Dogzilla 172
Saggy 163
Nick Terry 158
Matthew Ellard 90
truethat 85
Bluespaceoddity 57
Corsair 115 50
TheRedWorm 44
ddt 44
Thunder 42
Kevin.Silbstedt 41
Walter Ego 37
uke2se 33
Chaos 28
Gene Alley 25
000063 24
Matt Giwer 23
abaddon 23
beachnut 22
tsig 20
pooshoodog 19
Pacal 19
Craig4 18
Cyrix686 16
SanityGap 15
Titanic Explorer 15
Mondial 13
ApolloGnomon 12
dudalb 12
Tolls 12
BaaBaa 12
dvictr 12
SpitfireIX 12
dtugg 10
Revdude 10
erwinl 10
Ignorantbystander 8
MaxMurx 8
garethdjb 8
Oystein 8
twinstead 8
The Charnel Expanse 7
ANTPogo 7
Wahrheitseeker 7
Uzzy 7
cesarz 7
catsmate1 6
Laton 5
Dave Rogers 5
Skeptic 5
leftysergeant 5
headscratcher4 5
Doctor Evil 4
Jono 4
Hans 4
Pure Argent 4
Think_Tank 4
BadBoy 3
Cl1mh4224rd 3
floghammer 3
Horatius 3
Leviath 3
Sword_Of_Truth 3
9/11-investigator 3
angrysoba 2
R.A.F. 2
Locknar 2
FatFreddy88 2
carlitos 2
Arisia 2
Arcade22 2
Grizzly Bear 2
ladmo 2
KoihimeNakamura 2
therival58 2
aggle-rithm 2
sadhatter 2
NoahFence 2
madrappa 1
brodski 1
TS- 1
Justin39640 1
adkinsjr 1
BStrong 1
Tricky 1
Matthew Best 1
Biscuit 1
JohnG 1
The Platypus 1
JoeB 1
HoverBoarder 1
KingMerv00 1
Brainster 1
1337m4n 1
Kthulhut Fhtagn 1
Sledge 1
Rincewind 1
Raleigh Marsden 1
LordXenu 1
Greedo 1
timhau 1
NWO Sentryman 1
John Albert 1
Lisa Simpson 1
USSManhattan 1
McHrozni 1
Scott Jurgenson 1
ComfySlippers 1
BobHaulk 1
Trojan 1
Werdum 1
jargon buster 1
Redtail 1
Moss 1
stilicho 1
Wildy 1
Lenbrazil 1

 

[Nick Terry]

Many thanks carlitos. A quick glance at the list indicates the following stats for this particular baseball game:

deniers/revisionists/'fence-sitters' who aren't fooling anyone: 11 with 1213 posts, 2 now banned
conspiracy theorists who wandered in: 2 with 14 posts
non-deniers ('evil JREF skeptics'): 111, 1 now banned
mods: 2 with 2 posts

Now, unless the revisionists wish to claim a moon hoaxer and a self-confessed wind-up merchant as their full intellectual equals, the ratio of deniers to non-deniers is pretty clearly 10:1 on this thread. This might be considered an improvement from the old '9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust' thread, where the ratio was about 100:2 for most of its lifespan.

But I think the time is right to take stock and ask a serious question of the revs here, which is - what do you think you've achieved in this 3965 post thread? How many people do you think you've convinced? Will any lurker pipe up and confirm that they have been swayed by your arguments?

Or is this just about making people 'hopping mad', to quote one of your number?

 

[Hans]

What I have only 4 posts in this enormous thread! Egads this cannot stand.

Question to deniers (and comments from realitists are also welcomed), you obviously have a bias against da joos and deny the holocaust against them. Do you also deny that the Roma and other groups were placed in concentration camps and killed?


[CTmode]Oh other comments I think Saggy is a Jew trying to make deniers even more sill than they are [/ctmode]

As a semi-lurker I have learned a great deal about the Holocaust from the notable members here and also a great deal how far deniers will go to distort, lie, misrepresent and otherwise ineffectly try to 'revise' the holocaust - they fail epically and often. Their ability to continue to deny after being shown over and over to be wrong IS a demonstration of the same determination that allowed so many people to survive the Nazi concentration camps.

 

[Wroclaw]

Your CODOH posts on denierbud and Bruno Baum are gone, Herr Hans.

 

[Nick Terry]

Your CODOH posts on denierbud and Bruno Baum are gone, Herr Hans.

I think that's a different Hans to the RODOH Hans.

 

[Wroclaw]

I thought RODOH and CODOH Hans were the same. So is this Hans different?

 

[Nick Terry]

I thought RODOH and CODOH Hans were the same. So is this Hans different?

Begging the mods' pardon for the derail, but the Hans above says he's in America, the other Hans is in Germany. Now get back to discussing denial, Wroclaw!

 

[Wroclaw]

We apologize profusely to Herr Doktor Terry and the mods for this (brief) derailment.

 

[Hans]

I think that's a different Hans to the RODOH Hans.

Yes MRC_Hans and I are different beings. I'm the good looking one and he's the smart one.

 

[Nick Terry]

Yes MRC_Hans and I are different beings. I'm the good looking one and he's the smart one.

sheesh, that's another Hans...

 

[little grey rabbit]

Many thanks carlitos. A quick glance at the list indicates the following stats for this particular baseball game:

deniers/revisionists/'fence-sitters' who aren't fooling anyone: 11 with 1213 posts, 2 now banned
conspiracy theorists who wandered in: 2 with 14 posts
non-deniers ('evil JREF skeptics'): 111, 1 now banned
mods: 2 with 2 posts

Now, unless the revisionists wish to claim a moon hoaxer and a self-confessed wind-up merchant as their full intellectual equals, the ratio of deniers to non-deniers is pretty clearly 10:1 on this thread. This might be considered an improvement from the old '9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust' thread, where the ratio was about 100:2 for most of its lifespan.

But I think the time is right to take stock and ask a serious question of the revs here, which is - what do you think you've achieved in this 3965 post thread? How many people do you think you've convinced? Will any lurker pipe up and confirm that they have been swayed by your arguments?

Or is this just about making people 'hopping mad', to quote one of your number?

For me the useful outcomes were the letter that Wroclaw found about the crematorium were to be provisional - cf the Provisional Bakery.

I think my contributions of Pre-Treblinka Treblinka were useful also - and without being challenged I would not have researched as much information as I did. I also think the early reports of the Sonderkommando report were illuminating - but I found those with out any input from JREF.

I don't really expect Hoaxsters to suddenly confess on this thread, as neither they or I want them to suddenly meet the fate of Sean Hoare.

So want have other people derived from this thread?

 

[BaaBaa]

So want have other people derived from this thread?

That Holocaust deniers display amazing stamina in reposting the same tired arguments from incredulity, ore from the quote mines and an incredible facility with being malevolent dopes?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Why should I? To become the thread tether poster? You want to debate the Holocaust with me you're going to big picture it with the big dog.

There is so much of the Holocaust puzzle missing the Holocaust people have to isolate their "facts" to what about this stuff.

This post is remarkable, but the poor sentence structure and bizarre grammar render it unintelligible. Seriously, can you make it closer to English so that we can understand what you mean, big dog?

 

[LemmyCaution]

What I have only 4 posts in this enormous thread! Egads this cannot stand.

Question to deniers (and comments from realitists are also welcomed), you obviously have a bias against da joos and deny the holocaust against them. Do you also deny that the Roma and other groups were placed in concentration camps and killed?


[CTmode]Oh other comments I think Saggy is a Jew trying to make deniers even more sill than they are [/ctmode]

As a semi-lurker I have learned a great deal about the Holocaust from the notable members here and also a great deal how far deniers will go to distort, lie, misrepresent and otherwise ineffectly try to 'revise' the holocaust - they fail epically and often. Their ability to continue to deny after being shown over and over to be wrong IS a demonstration of the same determination that allowed so many people to survive the Nazi concentration camps.

And weirdly I have 2nd most posts, it seems, after being told on my arrival, by members of the side I am on, to leave, pronto. LOL.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Clayton, I asked this in a different context, but it applies even more here: You admitted to your ignorance of the Holocaust. Why should anyone here bother reading what you type?

 

[LemmyCaution]

For me the useful outcomes were the letter that Wroclaw found about the crematorium were to be provisional - cf the Provisional Bakery.

I think my contributions of Pre-Treblinka Treblinka were useful also - and without being challenged I would not have researched as much information as I did. I also think the early reports of the Sonderkommando report were illuminating - but I found those with out any input from JREF.

I don't really expect Hoaxsters to suddenly confess on this thread, as neither they or I want them to suddenly meet the fate of Sean Hoare.

So want have other people derived from this thread?

I got some good giggles from the "achievements" of yours which you yourself cite. In all modesty. Picked up the hilarity of Moscow Forgery Factories and your inability to deal due to your grief caused by my Army. Tucked away a few more examples of Jew baiting. Watched revisionists squirm and dodge questions and challenges, when they weren't repeating long debunked gambits (in addition to those cited by Nick, museums, anti-HD laws, etc.). Learned a lot from Nick, Wroclaw, BSO, ddt, and others, the Dutch material being most informative, for example.